not that we can carry in this state, but what do you guys think of it. it looks like a cool design. and i like....no safety.

 

http://www.sigsauer.com/Products/ShowCatalogProductDetails.aspx?categoryid=70&productid=307

I love sigs but I'll pass. I would go for the 238 prior to going to this.

I wish it had a decocker and is DA/SA

I wouldnt mind it being non DA/SA if it was DAK, I hear those triggers are sweet, anyone have any experience with the SIG DAK trigger?

site says DAO so i guess no DAK trigger. i didnt like the DAK trigger on the p220 i shot but it was probably better than DAO. sig da/sa is where it's at

it's relatively inexpensive to swap in/out the DAK parts if you want to try it. Definitely cheaper than buying a DAK gun..

That is problably one Sig I WOULD buy.

 

No decocker and no safety!

It appears to be nearly the same size as my P238, but its a 9mm. That factor gives it a huge advantage over all the other pocket guns that are 380's.

Interested to see what it'll retail for.

That is problably one Sig I WOULD buy.

 

No decocker and no safety!

 

Going DAO or DAK on a Sig is easy my man. I can hook you up.

Going DAO or DAK on a Sig is easy my man. I can hook you up.

 

What's the difference between DAO and DAK?

 

If I go DAO, it's gonna be in a pocket 380, 9 milli, or 38 special.

It appears to be nearly the same size as my P238, but its a 9mm. That factor gives it a huge advantage over all the other pocket guns that are 380's.

Interested to see what it'll retail for.

 

Anybody know anything about pricing?

I kind of like it, but those interchangeable grips are interesting. :icon_neutral:

 

What's the difference between DAO and DAK?

I think the DAK has a short reset trigger after the first shot, while the DAO is the long pull every shot.

That is problably one Sig I WOULD buy.

 

No decocker and no safety!

+10000

It's that time again Paul... PM me how much this baby costs.

What's the difference between DAO and DAK?

 

If I go DAO, it's gonna be in a pocket 380, 9 milli, or 38 special.

 

DAK has an intermediate trigger reset. Say the initial DA pull is 8.5 pounds. If you hold the trigger back while the slide cycles, you can bring the trigger forward to an intermediate position and have a 6.5 pound pull.

+1. Depending on the price.... may be a great gun. 9mm for the win.

+1. Depending on the price.... may be a great gun. 9mm for the win.

MSRP appears to be $530.

That is problably one Sig I WOULD buy.

 

No decocker and no safety!

 

 

just wondering. why is DAO more desirable than DA/SA with a decocker?

 

i agree about no safety

id love to see a pic next to a p226 or p229

just wondering. why is DAO more desirable than DA/SA with a decocker?

 

i agree about no safety

 

1 consistant trigger pull. But I like DAO on concealed carry guns.

I think the DAK has a short reset trigger after the first shot, while the DAO is the long pull every shot.

 

See Krdshrk's response/

 

It's that time again Paul... PM me how much this baby costs.

 

The Signess is strong young padawan.

 

DAK has an intermediate trigger reset. Say the initial DA pull is 8.5 pounds. If you hold the trigger back while the slide cycles, you can bring the trigger forward to an intermediate position and have a 6.5 pound pull.

 

Good explination. If you've shot a HK LEM, it's similiar.

 

 

just wondering. why is DAO more desirable than DA/SA with a decocker?

 

i agree about no safety

 

Trigger consistancy

 

 

id love to see a pic next to a p226 or p229

 

Yes I would also. I'd like to see it up againsta a 239 or a 238.

DAK has an intermediate trigger reset. Say the initial DA pull is 8.5 pounds. If you hold the trigger back while the slide cycles, you can bring the trigger forward to an intermediate position and have a 6.5 pound pull.

 

 

Nick:

 

You have that backwards - the lighter pull results from the longer reset point. Here's the skinny on the DAK...

 

DAK stands for Double Action Kellerman, after the man that invented the system. The whole point of DAK is that there are two different trigger reset points - thus two different lengths of pull. It takes a lot of practice to get acclimated to the trigger and being able to feel the reset points and make a conscious decision as to which to use, especially under stress. I've spoken with the firearms trainer of the Phila DA's office (they are equipped withP229's with the DAK system) and he told me that, once acclimated, it is just a matter of muscle memory.

 

So, why two different reset points and what's the advantage? If you are close-up and personal and rate (quantity) of fire is the primary concern, as opposed to accuracy (quality), you use the shorter reset point - less distance to cycle the trigger = faster rate of fire. Downside of that position is that with the shorter reset, you have less leverage on the trigger linkage so your weight of pull is higher.

 

For aimed accurate/non-hurried fire, use the longer reset and you get a lighter pull (longer reset = more leverage, less weight). There is approximately 1.5# - 2# difference in the weight of pull between the two reset points. In a stressful situation, you probably won't notice the difference.

 

The hammer always works from the partially cocked (hammer intercept notch) position, except in the case of a misfire, where the hammer will be all the way down, since the slide didn't cycle.

 

You can demonstrate the two different reset points with an empty gun. Pull the trigger (after checking to make sure that it is unloaded, of course) and hold the trigger to the rear of the trigger guard. Cycle the slide and then slowly release the trigger. You will hear a distinct click at the first reset point. If you continue to release the trigger, you will hear a click for the second reset. Repeat the exercise, but don't go to the second reset, just pull the trigger again after the first reset point is heard/felt. Repeat but let it go to the second before pulling again (don't forget you have to manually cycle the slide between trigger pulls) - now you have felt the difference in the trigger pulls caused by the DAK system.

 

HTH

 

Adios,

 

Pizza Bob

Oh? The way it was described to me was that it's the shorter trigger pull that is lighter. I've never experienced it in person so I didn't know.

Nick:

 

You have that backwards - the lighter pull results from the longer reset point. Here's the skinny on the DAK...

 

DAK stands for Double Action Kellerman, after the man that invented the system. The whole point of DAK is that there are two different trigger reset points - thus two different lengths of pull. It takes a lot of practice to get acclimated to the trigger and being able to feel the reset points and make a conscious decision as to which to use, especially under stress. I've spoken with the firearms trainer of the Phila DA's office (they are equipped withP229's with the DAK system) and he told me that, once acclimated, it is just a matter of muscle memory.

 

So, why two different reset points and what's the advantage? If you are close-up and personal and rate (quantity) of fire is the primary concern, as opposed to accuracy (quality), you use the shorter reset point - less distance to cycle the trigger = faster rate of fire. Downside of that position is that with the shorter reset, you have less leverage on the trigger linkage so your weight of pull is higher.

 

For aimed accurate/non-hurried fire, use the longer reset and you get a lighter pull (longer reset = more leverage, less weight). There is approximately 1.5# - 2# difference in the weight of pull between the two reset points. In a stressful situation, you probably won't notice the difference.

 

The hammer always works from the partially cocked (hammer intercept notch) position, except in the case of a misfire, where the hammer will be all the way down, since the slide didn't cycle.

 

You can demonstrate the two different reset points with an empty gun. Pull the trigger (after checking to make sure that it is unloaded, of course) and hold the trigger to the rear of the trigger guard. Cycle the slide and then slowly release the trigger. You will hear a distinct click at the first reset point. If you continue to release the trigger, you will hear a click for the second reset. Repeat the exercise, but don't go to the second reset, just pull the trigger again after the first reset point is heard/felt. Repeat but let it go to the second before pulling again (don't forget you have to manually cycle the slide between trigger pulls) - now you have felt the difference in the trigger pulls caused by the DAK system.

 

HTH

 

Adios,

 

Pizza Bob

 

Thank you. That helped me. I haven't shot a DAK and thought it was similiar to the LEM.

 

Which it is not. The lem is the same for reset points, but the longer pull is heavier and the shorter is lighter. Thanks!!