Hey everyone, I just got a phone call from my local police dept saying there were additional forms other than the permit app itself and the mental health consent. I havent seen any other forms anywhere online. Is this normal or are they just stalling? lol thanks!

as far as I know they can not make up unique individual criteria that is not set forth within the law..

 

call them and tell them you were reviewing 2c:58-3(f) and you were wondering if this was something new since the law specifically says (as per your understanding) that there must not be any additional forms.. and that you were wondering where you could find some information on these particular forms that are a requirement there..

 

 

http://www.judiciary.state.nj.us/legis/2003c73.pdf

 

2C:58-3(f) "... There shall be no conditions or requirements added the licensing authority for the issuance of a permit or identification card other than those that are specifically set forth in this chapter."

I recently went to my PD to do a change of address. I was NOT given the mental health form, but I was given two other forms....a Biographical Data Form which lists my personal information, previous addresses, and previous employment. And a Domestic Violence Inquiry Form, which (just like it sounds) asks if I have a past involving domestic violence. Both of these forms were OBVIOUSLY typed up on Microsoft Word and created by my local PD. Honestly, I think Im going to go by what Maks says....there is a difference between being right and being effective. I dont want to create a big stink over two "forms" that wont hold me back from getting the address changed on my FID.

I recently went to my PD to do a change of address. I was NOT given the mental health form, but I was given two other forms....a Biographical Data Form which lists my personal information, previous addresses, and previous employment. And a Domestic Violence Inquiry Form, which (just like it sounds) asks if I have a past involving domestic violence. Both of these forms were OBVIOUSLY typed up on Microsoft Word and created by my local PD. Honestly, I think Im going to go by what Maks says....there is a difference between being right and being effective. I dont want to create a big stink over two "forms" that wont hold me back from getting the address changed on my FID.

 

When it is a law feel free to have your cake and eat it too. Be right AND be effective. Don't let them slide on the laws because rest assured if you did something wrong they would not let you slide.

When it is a law feel free to have your cake and eat it too. Be right AND be effective. Don't let them slide on the laws because rest assured if you did something wrong they would not let you slide.

 

 

I agree.. you don't have to "make a stink over it" as in throw a temper tantrum or anything.. just politely inquire... if that doesn't get them to back off collect up your material.. go home.. and contact the state police firearms division.. explain the situation and see if they can possibly help you... rolling over and playing the submissive game OR going in there screaming your head off are not the only two options open to you..

there is a difference between being right and being effective.

 

And this, my friends, is why some local PDs feel free to add-on whatever forms and processes they feel like.

And this, my friends, is why some local PDs feel free to add-on whatever forms and processes they feel like.

The creator of the site said that, and I was referring to what he said....nobody gave him crap, and I say "I think" Im going to do it, then I get that comment. Maybe I should also go in and demand that they issue me a CCW permit since I have the "right" to carry in NJ

The creator of the site said that, and I was referring to what he said....nobody gave him crap, and I say "I think" Im going to do it, then I get that comment. Maybe I should also go in and demand that they issue me a CCW permit since I have the "right" to carry in NJ

 

 

as the LAW is written..

 

*they can not request additional forms...

*they can deny you CCW based on lack of need...

 

I think that what people here are saying is that "going with the flow" just enables them to pull more horse ****..

as the LAW is written..

 

*they can not request additional forms...

*they can deny you CCW based on lack of need...

 

I think that what people here are saying is that "going with the flow" just enables them to pull more horse ****..

I understand that, completely. As the Constitution is written, I should also be able to carry. Right now, my participation in this hobby DOES depend on them changing the address on my FID card, as my license already has my new address. Im not willing to jeopardize being seriously delayed because I try to start proving my towns PD wrong. If members here want to give me a negative rep for feeling that way, Im fine with that. Do I want the laws to change for the better? Yes. I wish I could carry. I wish I didnt have to pin stocks on rifles. I wish I didnt have to cap magazines. But I dont have the money to hire a lawyer and change the laws. I most certainly support the organizations that are putting forth the effort and money to change the laws though. But I cant change the laws. So yes, I am willing to submit two "forms" that will in no way hinder or delay the change of address on my FID card.

I understand that, completely. As the Constitution is written, I should also be able to carry. Right now, my participation in this hobby DOES depend on them changing the address on my FID card, as my license already has my new address. Im not willing to jeopardize being seriously delayed because I try to start proving my towns PD wrong. If members here want to give me a negative rep for feeling that way, Im fine with that. Do I want the laws to change for the better? Yes. I wish I could carry. I wish I didnt have to pin stocks on rifles. I wish I didnt have to cap magazines. But I dont have the money to hire a lawyer and change the laws. I most certainly support the organizations that are putting forth the effort and money to change the laws though. But I cant change the laws. So yes, I am willing to submit two "forms" that will in no way hinder or delay the change of address on my FID card.

 

The difference in the two is that NJ law PROHIBITS additional forms. NJ law ALLOWS them to deny you the right to carry. The only opponent to freedom is for good men to do nothing.

 

You are not looking for relief from the law - but are looking for relief THROUGH the law. The law is on YOUR side (this time). Take 2C and tell them that they are not permitted to add forms. If they refuse, call the NJSP FIREARMS UNIT. Do not call the NJSP general number. Talk to ONLY the firearms unit. Inform them of this problem with your local PD.

 

This is how everyone finally got their local PD's to realize that the "one gun a month" law does not mean that you can only apply for one handgun permit at a time.

The creator of the site said that, and I was referring to what he said....nobody gave him crap, and I say "I think" Im going to do it, then I get that comment.

 

What does creating a website have to do with anything? The law, as written, says that they cannot tack on additional forms. Next time you get pulled over and the cop hands you a ticket, whip out some "additional forms" and see if he signs them for you

 

Don't fill out extra, illegal, forms. Politely explain to them the statute and give them the number of it. If they still demand you fill out certain forms or do anything not listed on those two forms, don't make a scene, don't act up, politely leave and call NJSP firearms unit and they will explain it to them.

 

Maybe I should also go in and demand that they issue me a CCW permit since I have the "right" to carry in NJ

 

Wouldn't be a bad idea. SAF is looking for potential plaintiffs in NJ, aren't they?

I recently went to my PD to do a change of address. I was NOT given the mental health form, but I was given two other forms....a Biographical Data Form which lists my personal information, previous addresses, and previous employment. And a Domestic Violence Inquiry Form, which (just like it sounds) asks if I have a past involving domestic violence. Both of these forms were OBVIOUSLY typed up on Microsoft Word and created by my local PD. Honestly, I think Im going to go by what Maks says....there is a difference between being right and being effective. I dont want to create a big stink over two "forms" that wont hold me back from getting the address changed on my FID.

 

 

I hope you are kidding.

I understand that, completely. As the Constitution is written, I should also be able to carry. Right now, my participation in this hobby DOES depend on them changing the address on my FID card, as my license already has my new address. Im not willing to jeopardize being seriously delayed because I try to start proving my towns PD wrong. If members here want to give me a negative rep for feeling that way, Im fine with that. Do I want the laws to change for the better? Yes. I wish I could carry. I wish I didnt have to pin stocks on rifles. I wish I didnt have to cap magazines. But I dont have the money to hire a lawyer and change the laws. I most certainly support the organizations that are putting forth the effort and money to change the laws though. But I cant change the laws. So yes, I am willing to submit two "forms" that will in no way hinder or delay the change of address on my FID card.

 

 

that is your choice.. I would not.. it is the ability to recognize that cops are human and make error.. there is no pissing match in explaining a simple error in policy.. hell if I were them I would be thankful that someone pointed it out as opposed to filing some form of legal challenge..

If members here want to give me a negative rep for feeling that way, Im fine with that.

 

I don't think you deserve neg rep for this point of view. I would hope though that you consider telling the PD that these forms are illegal as per 2c:thirty whatever...

 

My PD tried pulling this with me for my second set of pistol permits and I told the woman at the counter that NJ law prohibits any forms other than those generated by the state. She looked surprised, took my internet printed forms and they processed my permits according to their "normal" timeline without the additional (illegal) documentation.

I don't think you deserve neg rep for this point of view. I would hope though that you consider telling the PD that these forms are illegal as per 2c:thirty whatever...

 

My PD tried pulling this with me for my second set of pistol permits and I told the woman at the counter that NJ law prohibits any forms other than those generated by the state. She looked surprised, took my internet printed forms and they processed my permits according to their "normal" timeline without the additional (illegal) documentation.

I most certainly HAVE thought and considered it. I still am considering it. I dont think that it is the WRONG move to take, by any means. I am just a little weary, and would like to avoid some of the horror stories that I have read on the internet. Just because its not right, doesnt mean it wont happen in this state, and that is why I am weary of it.

 

I thank you for respecting my opinion though.

I most certainly HAVE thought and considered it. I still am considering it. I dont think that it is the WRONG move to take, by any means. I am just a little weary, and would like to avoid some of the horror stories that I have read on the internet. Just because its not right, doesnt mean it wont happen in this state, and that is why I am weary of it.

 

I thank you for respecting my opinion though.

 

 

not to beat a dead horse but I think it is all in your level of maturity in dealing with the situation.. go in there like a smug prick demanding things because you "know" the law better than the department, and yeah I bet they screw you in every way possible..not just on the permits.. but go in there or even call with the most politest respectful attitude and what is the worst they can say.. NO this is how we do it? and at that point you can cut your losses or follow up with the state police.. like I was saying.. it is all in how you say it..

**update!**

 

so I finally got this additional for and it's just a criminal history record information sheet. It doesnt seem like a big deal so i'm going to just fill it out and hand it in. Thanks for the feedback everyone!