Hey guys, I am looking to get a shotgun basically for Home Defense. Please lets not make this into a what weapon works best for HD thread. I can't decide which shotgun I want to get, I am looking at the NEF Pardner Protector and the HAWK 982. From researching them basically the only differences between the 2 are the NEF has like a squared-off receiver while the HAWK has a round one just like the Remmington 870 and the HAWK has ghost ring sights. Apparently the ghost ring sights are like a $100 aftermarket value and would make it a best-for-your-buck buy. I've gone skeet shooting with shotguns that had only the front bead sight and thought they were fine but I keep reading that the ghost sights are so much better.

 

Basically I want to hear your opinions if it's worth it to spend the extra $$ and get the HAWK 982. This shotgun is going to be for HD only. Yes I will shoot it to practice and get familiar with the weapon, i'm not going to the range with it & a box of clays and blasting away every week.

The Pardner Protector was discussed at length herer: http://njgunforums.com/forum/index.php?/topic/19137-pardner-protector-opinions/page__view__findpost__p__251861__hl__pardner__fromsearch__1

 

Looks like a solid choice IMO. IDK if the ghost ring sites are really worth the extra coin.

For home defense, the gun needs to hold together for a full magazine and some range practice. I'm sure either will fill that role just fine.

 

Most home defense is fairly chaotic and it's unlikely that your choice of sights is going to negatively impact it either way.

 

What's most important is what YOU are comfortable with and what works best for you. You need to shoulder and handle both guns. You'll get a better feel from one or the other and that's what you should pick. The cost difference really isn't going to break the bank either way. If you think the ghost rings will help you, chances are they probably will. Your state of mind is half the battle.

Did you look at the Mossberg 500 at all? I looked at the Pardner as well. The Mossberg 500 just felt right in my hands. Plus its made in the USA.

 

I got the pursauder edition. Synthetic stock and it holds 8 rounds. 7+1 that is. I love it. If you wann try it out and live close to me lemme know.

My 870 is up for sale in the marketplace if you wanna look.

 

Remington 870

 

Make an offer, If you have something to trade that would be cool too.

Thats looks sweet. Love the finish on it. I should have gotten the parkerized finish on my mossberg

http://njgunforums.com/forum/index.php?/topic/19670-wtswtt-remington-870-tactical/

I'd say go to Dick's for the NEF Pardner Protector.

The one in the marketplace (870 express) is absolutely perfect. Dude, jump on that one if you can.

thanks for the suggestions everyone, dang DevsAdvocate thats one bada$$ Remington 870 ya got there I would buy that in a second if I don't have anywhere near the funds....can't believe i've spent more on a paintball gun

 

so I called my local dicks sport goods and their out of the NEF Pardner Protector, so I call the next nearest location and ask if they have any, they said yes, I go there, go straight to "The Lodge" and ask for it and apparently they can't sell firearms past 8pm, I dunno if this is a state law or just a dsg rule but it would have been VERY nice if they mentioned it on the phone since I called at around 8:20pm. Then talked to the manager and asked "if I go to the dsg in deptford can they special order it for me" he says "thats up to the manager in deptford" interesting policy...only can be special ordered if the manager feels like it. So then when I got home I called the dsg order by phone number and asked if they could send a firearm to the deptford dsg, they said "no but you can do a special order at any store location"

 

very bad first time experience with dsg, I'll probably go to the deptford store monday and see if they can order it for me at the sale price and only because the sale price is good

I'm fairly sure the NEF Pardner Protector will be on sale again next week. I'll keep an eye out tomorrow morning - look in the hot deals section. I usually am able to find the Dick's weekly deals.

thanks for the suggestions everyone, dang DevsAdvocate thats one bada$$ Remington 870 ya got there I would buy that in a second if I don't have anywhere near the funds....can't believe i've spent more on a paintball gun

 

so I called my local dicks sport goods and their out of the NEF Pardner Protector, so I call the next nearest location and ask if they have any, they said yes, I go there, go straight to "The Lodge" and ask for it and apparently they can't sell firearms past 8pm, I dunno if this is a state law or just a dsg rule but it would have been VERY nice if they mentioned it on the phone since I called at around 8:20pm. Then talked to the manager and asked "if I go to the dsg in deptford can they special order it for me" he says "thats up to the manager in deptford" interesting policy...only can be special ordered if the manager feels like it. So then when I got home I called the dsg order by phone number and asked if they could send a firearm to the deptford dsg, they said "no but you can do a special order at any store location"

 

very bad first time experience with dsg, I'll probably go to the deptford store monday and see if they can order it for me at the sale price and only because the sale price is good

 

The price isn't firm, what are you willing to pay? PM me.

 

Do you have anything to trade too? AR Lower? Ammo?

Also, guys, what's the rules on semi-auto shotguns in NJ?

 

Less than 6 round capacity, fixed stock, no pistol grip = ok?

 

I'm looking at a Mossberg 930, so I want to make sure it's all legal eagle.

Looks like you have all the requirements. Mossy 930 should be legal - maybe ask PK90 or another vendor.

Looks like you have all the requirements. Mossy 930 should be legal - maybe ask PK90 or another vendor.

 

It is, as long as the magazine holds 6 or less rounds. The Mossberg 930SPX is NOT NJ legal.

I'm glad people are starting to look at autoloaders. I know pump shotties look cool, but autoloaders are a pleasure to shoot. The gas/inertia system dampens so much of the recoil. I don't think reliability is an issue when using buckshot or game load of birdshot. It is the soft recoiling target loads of birdshot that don't always feed perfectly. My Remmy 1100 has never failed with non-target loads.

It is, as long as the magazine holds 6 or less rounds. The Mossberg 930SPX is NOT NJ legal.

I'm glad people are starting to look at autoloaders. I know pump shotties look cool, but autoloaders are a pleasure to shoot. The gas/inertia system dampens so much of the recoil. I don't think reliability is an issue when using buckshot or game load of birdshot. It is the soft recoiling target loads of birdshot that don't always feed perfectly. My Remmy 1100 has never failed with non-target loads.

There are two other factors as well though....at least that I can think of. Price point being one. Handling being the other. Its easy to just spray and pray in a high adrenaline situation when all you have to do is pull the trigger. Although a decent amount of practice with the autoloader would help that. Not denying your point, just throwing in the other factors that I see.

I am also deciding on what Semi I want....

 

Beretta 3901

 

Mossberg 930

 

Rem 11-87

Rem 11-87 FTW

Rem 11-87 FTW

 

Those cost a bit more than a 930... what are the advantages?

Rem 11-87 FTW

I think someone had an 11-87 at Sparta a couple of weeks ago that wouldn't reliably cycle the target loads. Had to dig the empty out of the chamber each time. I don't know if the gun was dirty/needed tuning, or if it was pilot error.

I think the Rem 1100 (2 3/4" shells only) is better tuned to handle the lighter target loads (according to the description on the website). The 11-87 is a 3" shell capacity. I know it has a slightly different gas system than my 1100 and looks to be more of a hunting gun. It may be undergassed for target loads. Longer barrels will help towards feeding these lighter loads.

 

http://www.remington...model-1100.aspx

http://www.remington...odel-11-87.aspx

I think someone had an 11-87 at Sparta a couple of weeks ago that wouldn't reliably cycle the target loads. Had to dig the empty out of the chamber each time. I don't know if the gun was dirty/needed tuning, or if it was pilot error.

 

It has fixed itself of that problem, except I wish it didn't cycle. It was much nicer not having to go around picking up my shells LOL

 

In the process of acquiring a skeet barrel for it. Then we shoot skeet too!!

It has fixed itself of that problem, except I wish it didn't cycle. It was much nicer not having to go around picking up my shells LOL

 

In the process of acquiring a skeet barrel for it. Then we shoot skeet too!!

Oh, that was you. Right, I remember now.

Plus the 2 BRAND NEW 11-87's on the shelf at Dick's in Rockaway that the actions would not stay open.....

 

Every brand has its bad stuff..... but 2 broken shottys on the shelf.... I was not impressed....

But what's the big diff between a 930 and a 11-87?

But what's the big diff between a 930 and a 11-87?

 

 

As far as I am concerned.... nothing....

 

old Chevy vs. Ford debate....

But what's the big diff between a 930 and a 11-87?

 

Receiver made of steel on Remington. Aluminum on Mossberg (and most others too). Supposedly better build quality on Remmy's non-Express guns. The Remmy 870 Express was built to compete with the Mossberg lines. Supposedly Remington quality control has dropped from years ago, according to a lot of posters on different gun sites. Take that with a grain of salt, as the internet tends to amplify both the good and bad about products. I have had two minor problems with my 1100. To Remington's credit, they fixed them very quickly and for free.

I have an 1100 that was passed down to me from my Uncle. Its pretty old but runs like a champ.

I have an 1100 that was passed down to me from my Uncle. Its pretty old but runs like a champ.

 

That is one of the reasons they never discontinued the 1100 when the 11-87 came out, even though they overlap in function a bit.

Receiver made of steel on Remington. Aluminum on Mossberg (and most others too). Supposedly better build quality on Remmy's non-Express guns. The Remmy 870 Express was built to compete with the Mossberg lines. Supposedly Remington quality control has dropped from years ago, according to a lot of posters on different gun sites. Take that with a grain of salt, as the internet tends to amplify both the good and bad about products. I have had two minor problems with my 1100. To Remington's credit, they fixed them very quickly and for free.

I agree with Lunker. IMHO, I think the 11-87 is a good shotgun. My only gripe is the weight and its muzzle-heaviness. But that weight comes in handy when stationary on the range or blind or swinging on clays on the skeet range. (The LC Sporting Clays 11-87's feel better but I've never had one, just tried my friend's a few times.) For trap or clays, slugs for deer, large shot for turkey or goose; the standard 11-87 works well. Yes, Remington seems to have issues with QC these days. Not a surprise as American's cheapen manufacture to trim costs. The two '95-era 11-87 SP's I use I have never had a problem with though. The one 11-87 I'll shoot skeet and trap with and my normal load is usually a 1 oz. payload because I'm cheap and like to minimize reloading costs. I know the approximate pressures of my handloads and I have no failures to eject or feed. The original 11-87 3" model I believe is optimized for a minimum 2 3/4 dr. X 1 1/8 oz. payload. And it is prudent to mention that it is imperative you keep gas autos clean for them to work optimally.

 

I have these two links saved in my Favorites and thought I'd pass along:

 

A good pictorial with description from ShotgunWorld on cleaning the 1100/11-87 -

http://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?t=91897

 

Some more detail on the various Remington gas autos and their nuances -

http://www.wisnersinc.com/additional_info/Remington58_1100.htm