have mostly been shooting steel with my DPMS chambered in 308 16in barrel 100 yard range (max that is available at my range)... just trying to get a feel for the gun.. but yesterday purchased some Hornady tap 308 went out to the range with some orange peel targets.. wanted to see just how well I could do taking slow controlled shots.. shot a couple groups of 5 and on one I ended up with what almost looked like a 4 leaf clover.. had 4 shots touching and one slightly off to the side.. and the other group fit probably in about an inch and a half circle... I was at a bench.. Harris bi-pod mags of 5 with short pause in between each shot.. not saying this is anything amazing or anything.. but is this decent? I was shooting a little low so I guess I should adjust the scope a hair..

Sounds pretty good to me!

A tight group is great, but if its a 8 inches away from the POA, then its only half the story

A tight group is great, but if its a 8 inches away from the POA, then its only half the story

 

it was a little off (couple inches).. but that is a scope adjustment.. the objective of all this for me was to slow down and put some consistent shots on paper.. I aimed at the same point for every shot so the shots were all off the center by a bit, but I think that getting the scope dialed in will fix that....

Sounds like its shooting very well! You too! Gas guns ARE harder to shoot, they are VERY technique intensive.

Sounds like its shooting very well! You too! Gas guns ARE harder to shoot, they are VERY technique intensive.

 

 

thank you very much!

Sounds like you have the beginnings of "one-hole disease". Glad to see you are using 5-shot groups as a measure of your, and your rifle's, ability to shoot. I can't stand when a gun rag talks about terrific groups and you read the article only to find they were 3-shot groups.

 

Any thing under 1 MOA is decent and it sounds like you were there and then some. Remember, groups are measured CTC, so take the widest outside to outside dimension and subtract the bullet diameter to get group size.

 

Enjoy.

 

Adios,

 

Pizza Bob

Sounds like you have the beginnings of "one-hole disease". Glad to see you are using 5-shot groups as a measure of your, and your rifle's, ability to shoot. I can't stand when a gun rag talks about terrific groups and you read the article only to find they were 3-shot groups.

 

Any thing under 1 MOA is decent and it sounds like you were there and then some. Remember, groups are measured CTC, so take the widest outside to outside dimension and subtract the bullet diameter to get group size.

 

Enjoy.

 

Adios,

 

Pizza Bob

 

 

I was always a blast away achieve COM hits on steel at 100 and that is fun.. but yeah THIS is challenging.. and really requires patience.. I am really liking this type of shooting.. not to mention.. I went through way less ammo.. lol

 

as far as the one hole thing.. I remember shooting shot two.. and not seeing it at first.. then I notice they are touching.. and I say (kind of excited) they are touching! and my spotter goes no.. they are overlapping.. lol two of the shots in the four hole clover were VERY close to being the same hole..

 

can't wait to get back to the range and shoot some more!

Got a pic of the target?

Got a pic of the target?

 

 

not with me.. I actually went to snap it last night but the camera battery was dead.. will take a snapshot tonight..

Sounds impressive indeed. You start to challenge yourself and see if you can top your last range session. It becomes an addicting game. My personal best is 1/2 MOA with that damn mosin I built. Watch out, you really start getting addicted to 1 ragged hole.

I have already decided that my next firearms purchase will be a nice trigger for the AR... I feel that might be the one weak link in my setup.. any suggestions!

I have already decided that my next firearms purchase will be a nice trigger for the AR... I feel that might be the one weak link in my setup.. any suggestions!

 

 

And so it begins First it's the trigger, then it'll be a good bench rest and set of bags. Then better glass. Then you start with the ammo - already been the TAP route, next comes Federal GMM, then comes handloads. With the handloads comes outside neck turning. Primer hole uniforming. Weighing brass and individual bullets. Naturally, all benchrest components, including custom bullets. Ah yes, it's a slippery slope from here. I'd recommend the Sinclair catalog if I were an enabler. Good luck.

 

Adios,

 

Pizza Bob<----Been there, done that

And so it begins First it's the trigger, then it'll be a good bench rest and set of bags. Then better glass. Then you start with the ammo - already been the TAP route, next comes Federal GMM, then comes handloads. With the handloads comes outside neck turning. Primer hole uniforming. Weighing brass and individual bullets. Naturally, all benchrest components, including custom bullets. Ah yes, it's a slippery slope from here. I'd recommend the Sinclair catalog if I were an enabler. Good luck.

 

Adios,

 

Pizza Bob<----Been there, done that

 

 

is it a bad sign that I am already saving brass and yet to understand reloading OR have any equipment..

is it a bad sign that I am already saving brass and yet to understand reloading OR have any equipment..

 

 

Sounds like it's already too late

4 shots touching is very good! Heres my best, 5 rounds, 100 yards, remington 700 in 308 shooting a 1" diamond.

 

Whats your group measure out to? Measure outside to outside with calipers and subtract bullet diameter (.308).

 

Just noticed you shot TAP ammo, thats what my rifle prefers. My reloads use TAP brass, the 168 A-MAX, and the powder charge just about duplicates the factory load. Good stuff!

4 shots touching is very good! Heres my best, 5 rounds, 100 yards, remington 700 in 308 shooting a 1" diamond.

 

Whats your group measure out to? Measure outside to outside with calipers and subtract bullet diameter (.308).

 

Just noticed you shot TAP ammo, thats what my rifle prefers. My reloads use TAP brass, the 168 A-MAX, and the powder charge just about duplicates the factory load. Good stuff!

 

 

that picture is sick! will measure it out and take some pics when I get home.. I was excited.. but after talking to you guys I am even more excited since this is really my first attempt to shoot precisely with a gun I own.. I mean I have shot bolt guns before.. and I always try to hit the target obviously.. but I have always been like a steel plate center mass type shooter... but as you all pointed out.. it is an addicting game.. and a fun one at that..

Glenn, you sure the other 3 werent in the dirt?

 

 

My measuring has this group in the .1's!!!

Glenn, you sure the other 3 werent in the dirt?

 

 

My measuring has this group in the .1's!!!

 

 

.182" lol. I swear they all went in there!

 

Now, never did I say I do this all the time. My avg is around .5" or so. Maybe even a tad larger.

FYI, bipods are great and all but the inconsistant grab they will have on the bench harms accuracy. Try throwing some pill bottle caps under the little rubber feet to help. If you want to go a step further, take it off and use sandbags. Trust me, noticable difference.

Benches are for bench rest shooters! Shoot off the deck with that tac rifle! You need the grip of the rubber feet to load the bipod.

Benches are for bench rest shooters! Shoot off the deck with that tac rifle! You need the grip of the rubber feet to load the bipod.

 

I'm always just trying to push the limits. That means getting in the shoes of a nutty benchrest guy every now 'n then

so wait.. after I shoot.. I want the gun to slide around? you are saying that when I shoot.. the rubber on the bottom of the bipod might cause a small issue?

you are saying that when I shoot.. the rubber on the bottom of the bipod might cause a small issue?

 

 

It can. If you insist on using a bipod, the trick, as Shane said, is to "load" the bipod consistently. The same amount of forward pressure against the grip of the bipod feet on the bench. That may make you shoot consistently bad, but the buzz word here is "consistent". You may have to experiment to find out under what load the rifle performs best. Loading the bipod causes stress on the attachment point which can translate into different barrel harmonics, which will affect accuracy.

 

When you go totally nuts, and you will, you will spring for a bench rest and a set of bags. Probably before that though, you will revert to a bolt gun.

 

Adios,

 

Pizza Bob

so wait.. after I shoot.. I want the gun to slide around? you are saying that when I shoot.. the rubber on the bottom of the bipod might cause a small issue?

 

 

Like pizzabob said the key is consistancy. The bipod will react more consistantly to the bench surface if it is sliding freely.

Damnit Bob every time you post, it makes me hungry!

I agree Shane, a good pizza would be great right now. I think Bob should change his name for us...LOL

 

Here is the 5 shots with the Monster Mosin at 200 yds with surplus 1985 Russian light ball.

Shane... that target glenn posted.... is not an actual 5 shot.... it is a 5 shot "bullseye" target... you know... 2 shots at the target... 3 shots into the berm not to mess up the target. =)

 

We need some bullet hole overlays there. =)

Well, at least I know how to distract you guys, should we ever come up against each other on the range.

 

Glenn & Eric, those are outstanding groups. Glenn, I'm guessing your Remmy isn't stock and Eric, we all know yours is an all-out custom build, which must really enhance the feeling of accomplishment. Wow, guys, just wow. You've given us all something to aspire to.

 

Adios,

 

Pizza Bob<----not changing the name for nuttin' or nobody