Regarding a call on 101.5 about the new scanners a few minutes ago, I just wanted to ask every here a question. You may or may not know that Mike Doherty got slammed on 101.5 by jim gearhart and many of the following callers.

 

Anyway the question im wondering is:

 

Would you rather the government treating you like a potential terrorist and intruding into your lives for your own safety, OR controlling the borders and figuring out who is illegally in this country and getting the government out of the peoples lives?

 

I agreed with mike, but he suggested what Israel is doing by profiling certain people who get on planes. He also mentioned securing the boarders and finding out who is living here.

 

I dunno maybe my common sense isn't all that common.

Control our borders. I would donate two weeks a year volunteering my time to help out, at my own expense, if they would let me.

I haven't listened because I'm home and not in the car but I agree with you. The problem is that people just don't want to be bothered and can care less.

I think at this point in time the scanners are a necessity, the gate was left open so now we have to close it..

 

Question is can we catch the horse ?

 

should we profile the horse ?

 

I do not think Mr. ed smith is a carrier ?

 

on the other hand Mr. ed abduoul hay a nata, could be a good candidate for the scanner..

Listening to Jim I can understand where he is coming from, he does have sons in the military and may have a different outlook on the situation then joe the citizen. I just feel like we are giving up more and more of our freedoms that our brave men and women have fought and died for so that we can be can feel safe as big brother public citizens. I mean there has got to be a line somewhere between safety/privacy/freedoms, why not secure the borders, secure the flights (which is already being done), and check all international flights thoroughly along with the people who are on these flights.

They're 2 different issues. Of course, it would be great to secure the borders and get a handle on who's here illegally, and find some reasonable way to deal with that problem, but that has nothing to do with a group of people who may be be here legally, but still have the intent to crash a plane, blow up Disneyland, or flood a tunnel.

 

I don't like the intrusion into my personal life and travels, I don't like security cameras everywhere, and I especially don't like the thought of the gubbermint's idea of putting everyone into the haystack while they search for the needle, but it's better than being blown into little pieces just because I happen to unlucky enough to be walking outside a Starbuck's when the bomb goes boom.

 

The "right" to privacy when in public never really existed, and the only reason the presence of such a right was ever inferred was because the technology to observe and track individuals was never as advanced as it is now. With the advance in tech, the ability to observe and track individuals has become pervasive, and in some cases, perverted. But, the clock can't be turned back. Your travel habits, purchases and a good deal of other "personal" information resides in any number of data banks, and the combined information paints a very detailed picture of anyone "they" choose to search on.

Yes I listened to that this morning and it surprised me with Jim Gearhart's stance. I'm all for securing the borders and the profiling like El Al does. There are may ways to go about security that are more subtle and protect our rights. Brute force exposure to technology and the potential for exploitation of said tech, as well as violations of personal privacy and rights is NOT the way to go about security.

They're 2 different issues. Of course, it would be great to secure the borders and get a handle on who's here illegally, and find some reasonable way to deal with that problem, but that has nothing to do with a group of people who may be be here legally, but still have the intent to crash a plane, blow up Disneyland, or flood a tunnel.

 

I don't like the intrusion into my personal life and travels, I don't like security cameras everywhere, and I especially don't like the thought of the gubbermint's idea of putting everyone into the haystack while they search for the needle, but it's better than being blown into little pieces just because I happen to unlucky enough to be walking outside a Starbuck's when the bomb goes boom.

 

The "right" to privacy when in public never really existed, and the only reason the presence of such a right was ever inferred was because the technology to observe and track individuals was never as advanced as it is now. With the advance in tech, the ability to observe and track individuals has become pervasive, and in some cases, perverted. But, the clock can't be turned back. Your travel habits, purchases and a good deal of other "personal" information resides an any number of data banks, and the combined information paints a very detailed picture of anyone "they" choose to search on.

 

 

 

It would be easier to find out who in the world can fly a plane and have them on record/airport computers, then check and update the list frequently as new pilots learn how to fly, and deal with it that way. If they try to buy a ticket their info comes up on a computer and automatically brings up who they are, their background, and other information.

 

Or better yet, let law abiding citizens carry guns on planes.

I deleted what I was going to say, all of which is why our country is going literally insane, but I would hear it from everyone, cause it's totally not politically correct.

I especially don't like the thought of the gubbermint's idea of putting everyone into the haystack while they search for the needle, but it's better than being blown into little pieces just because I happen to unlucky enough to be walking outside a Starbuck's when the bomb goes boom.

 

Anything to be safe eh?

 

Shall we restrict your travel to and from work only? The guns? They've got to go straight away, it's for everyone's safety dontcha know. How about how much cash you're allowed to carry? Where does it end?

 

This policy of "Everyone is guilty" has to go. It leads to a siege mentality where everything is sacrificed in the name of security. A line has to be drawn. This sideshow at the airport is not making anyone safer. Feeling up the ball sack of anyone who refuses to go naked isn't going to stop what's in the wetware upstairs of evil people no more than one gun a month stops mass shootings.

 

Furthermore, now the Council of American Islam Relations claims they have a waiver for Muslim women. They can only have their head and neck touched and their religion prohibits them from going through the peekaboo scanner. This is the insanity we've come to. These enhanced procedures are about responses to the latest Islamic threats and attacks and who gets a pass?

 

Enough is enough.

I am okay with profiling, but we would have to repeal the law first to make it okay to do so. I am not okay with the Government breaking the law to defend this Country. We would have to pass a law that trumps the Civil Rights Act of 1964 first.

He's someone that knows there is a better way and sums it up perfectly.

 

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Rafi Ron, a Virginia-based aviation security consultant and former director of security at Tel-Aviv Ben-Gurion International Airport, said full-body scanners and “intrusive” manual searches are to be expected with the TSA’s system of scrutinizing the items people carry onto a plane rather than passengers themselves.

 

“The pat-downs make sense within the existing strategy,” said Ron, who advocates profiling. “At some point, we have to look at how far we’ve gone in sacrificing everybody’s civil rights for the sake of sacrificing the civil rights of a much smaller number of people.”

the fact that we do not racially profile people of middle eastern ethnicity when trying to combat a war with people who are generally exclusively of middle eastern ethnicity is stupid.. and just goes to show we care more about being politically correct than actually getting the job done... and that mindset will never lead us to victory..

 

my statement is obviously not intended to mean that Muslims can not be peace loving full blooded American's just like anyone else.. my point is meant to be when looking for a criminal in a "blue car" it makes no sense to check every car, just so innocent people driving blue cars don't get all hurt and emotional..

A very smart man once said:

 

"Those who would sacrifice freedom for security deserve neither"

 

I remember after NY Yankees pitcher Corey Lidle crashed his airplane into a building in NYC. Back then, Curtis and the moron, Kuby, were on the air on WABC radio and that idiot Kuby questioned how after 9/11, a person could take off from Teterboro Airport and not be on a flight plan. And not under FAA control.

 

Basicly, lets stop and show our papers to border guards when driving from NJ to PA or NJ to NY.

 

Do we want to live in a free society or a closed and controlled society like the former Soviet Union or Cuba or North Korea?

 

Oh, those body scanners, they are made by the former head of TSA Michael Chertoff and they've had them for a while, just have an excuse now to take away our liberties a little more.

 

What will they do after a terrorist does what was recently done in Saudi Arabia in an attempt to kill a Saudi prince? A terrorist implanted an explosive in his brother, then detonated it by text message when his brother was close to the prince.

 

Next they'll have us all strip naked to check for surgical scars?

 

Insanity!! What happened to innocent until proven guilty? Here, we are all assumed to be guilty and have to prove our innocence.

I am okay with profiling, but we would have to repeal the law first to make it okay to do so. I am not okay with the Government breaking the law to defend this Country. We would have to pass a law that trumps the Civil Rights Act of 1964 first.

 

Actually the way Israel does it has nothing to do with what is covered under that. They do profiling based on behavioral observations from security in and around the airport facility not by race/religion/etc.

the fact that we do not racially profile people of middle eastern ethnicity when trying to combat a war with people who are generally exclusively of middle eastern ethnicity is stupid.. and just goes to show we care more about being politically correct than actually getting the job done... and that mindset will never lead us to victory..

 

my statement is obviously not intended to mean that Muslims can not be peace loving full blooded American's just like anyone else.. my point is meant to be when looking for a criminal in a "blue car" it makes no sense to check every car, just so innocent people driving blue cars don't get all hurt and emotional..

 

See: http://njgunforums.com/forum/index.php?/topic/19870-curious-question/page__view__findpost__p__262885

 

Also you *DO* realize that every terrorist is NOT middle eastern lol? I think people need to realize this. I am *ALL* for behavioral profiling. The post-9/11 mentality that a lot of people have in this country is almost akin to the mentality that created the Japanese-American internment camps in the 1940s. People were scared just as they are now.

A very smart man once said:

 

"Those who would sacrifice freedom for security deserve neither"

 

This +1. Security is a state of mind, one determined individual can surmount anything put up to stop them. We need to be successful 100% and the bad guy only once. Live life to the fullest everyday. Someday it will be the last one, make the most of it.

See: http://njgunforums.com/forum/index.php?/topic/19870-curious-question/page__view__findpost__p__262885

 

Also you *DO* realize that every terrorist is NOT middle eastern lol? I think people need to realize this. I am *ALL* for behavioral profiling. The post-9/11 mentality that a lot of people have in this country is almost akin to the mentality that created the Japanese-American internment camps in the 1940s. People were scared just as they are now.

 

 

while every terrorist may not be "middle eastern" most terrorist (that you will find at the airport anyway) are not 30 year old white men.. so pulling me over for your politically correct additional screening after the metal detector and all is a big useless waste of time.. if you have to catch someone.. and the locations are infinite... and your resources are limited.. are you going to focus on the group that the individual is most likely in? or focus on everyone equally?