We have some pretty knowledgeable people on the board.. some involved in the industry.. some actual LEOs....

ASK HERE FIRST...

 

The more knowledgeable members are not going to give you answers unless they are %100 sure.. The reason I say this is I have noticed a new trend in certain items starting out as being legal.. and ending up being illegal.. within a very short period of time.. and I have to at least assume that ringing the NJSP phone off the hook asking about "NJ Legal AK47s" or "NJ Legal M1 carbines" is not helping the situation in any way.. granted free country do what you like... but you may actually be hurting your ability to own these firearms by making too much commotion... chances are.. if a legitimate business (gun shop, FFL, etc..) is selling or transferring it to you.. then it is likely legal.. I would personally assume it is legal until otherwise told.. If it turns out that something about it is illegal.. I am willing to bet the defense of buying it legally from a dealer would be pretty reasonable.. and at worse you may have to return, sell, transfer, etc..

 

So really if you could.. do us all a favor and stay off the radar...

 

This is not aimed at any one person.. and like I said not telling people what to do.. just making a suggestion to try to limit the amount of items that end up blacklisted..

Gee, it's not like some of those guys lurk here on the forum and watch what we're talking about...

Gee, it's not like some of those guys lurk here on the forum and watch what we're talking about...

 

 

while all that is certainly possible.. I can't help but think that all the people who admittedly called NJSP about the carbine brought way more attention to the item than needed..

 

"hey there is this website advertising a NJ legal M1 carbine.. I thought they were banned.. what gives?"

 

50 phone calls later.. the gun is magically no longer offered..

 

and as stated... merely a suggestion.. at the end of the day people will have to do what they want to..

Gee, it's not like some of those guys lurk here on the forum and watch what we're talking about...

 

 

< wearing tin foil hat >

< wearing tin foil hat >

Maybe, maybe not.

 

1,300+ registered members, around 200 regular participants. At least some of the others didn't sign up just because they like the logo.

Wow I guess in Vladtepes America we should not be able to contact law enforcement with questions we have about firearms and ammo. If I am understanding you correctly you are saying that we should find our answers on the internet. That is the most absurd line of thinking I have heard in quite awhile. For myself I would rather have my questions answered by the NJSP, rather than someone on a forum that I don't know, or worse yet google. Just imagine you found yourself in a situation what would you say, "The internet said it was legal".

Guys, there's no reason to rip Vlad a new one. He has a reasonable and probably well deserved distrust of anyone who sits in a position where they can affect what few rights we enjoy here.

 

That said, yeah, it is actually the job of the NJSP to answer questions regarding the letter of the law (not offer legal advice or direction) when asked. If someone has second thoughts about any of the information they've read here, it makes perfect sense to go to the authority on a given subject. How it affects the community in the long run isn't the fault of the asker, it's the fault of our ridiculous and capricious laws, and the ease with which they can be altered with a simple "reclarification" without any sort of legislative process.

 

Don't hate the player, hate the game.

its the ignorance of the state police that drive some people. you can have 3 different people call the state police, ask the same exact question and get 3 totally different answers, its personally happened numerous times.

Wow I guess in Vladtepes America we should not be able to contact law enforcement with questions we have about firearms and ammo. If I am understanding you correctly you are saying that we should find our answers on the internet. That is the most absurd line of thinking I have heard in quite awhile. For myself I would rather have my questions answered by the NJSP, rather than someone on a forum that I don't know, or worse yet google. Just imagine you found yourself in a situation what would you say, "The internet said it was legal".

 

 

no but as pointed out there are several people on the board.. one in particular who is LEO AND FFL.. and is pretty familiar with firearms law.. and ironically I suggested calling NJSP quite some time ago.. and people on THIS board told me "that phone call is useless unless you get something in writing.." and in retrospect that makes sense.. as pointed out in the thread about hollowpoints.. the individual received two totally different answers... so when evaluating the quality of information received it appears to be 50 50 at best.. as I CLEARLY pointed out in my first post.. I am not TELLING anyone what to do.. just making a suggestion that you check here first.. in many cases when someone does answer a legal question here they support that answer with actual excerpts of the law.. to me a well thought out quality answer accompanied by the actual law pertaining to the question is worth a hell of a lot more than a random NJSP call since as pointed out.. answers will vary, and unless you get them to mail the answer to you in writing, it is just about worthless.. but the comment was more directed at the whole IO, and M1 carbine situation.. we had someone offering a new AK type.. that should have really been legal.. but as with the M1 people called away.. made tons of fuss.. and now it is yanked from the shelves as well.. it won't be long till people are saying.. hey why is the IO illegal, and the wasr is legal.. next thing you know the wasr will be illegal also.. you know the funniest part is I hesitated to make this thread.. because to be honest I plan on leaving NJ... my effort was more to try to help everyone else..

 

and as pointed out... it was simply a suggestion..

Guys, there's no reason to rip Vlad a new one. He has a reasonable and probably well deserved distrust of anyone who sits in a position where they can affect what few rights we enjoy here.

 

That said, yeah, it is actually the job of the NJSP to answer questions regarding the letter of the law (not offer legal advice or direction) when asked. If someone has second thoughts about any of the information they've read here, it makes perfect sense to go to the authority on a given subject. How it affects the community in the long run isn't the fault of the asker, it's the fault of our ridiculous and capricious laws, and the ease with which they can be altered with a simple "reclarification" without any sort of legislative process.

 

Don't hate the player, hate the game.

 

fair enough.. again no harm was intended.. the intention was truly to HELP not hurt..

 

 

its the ignorance of the state police that drive some people. you can have 3 different people call the state police, ask the same exact question and get 3 totally different answers, its personally happened numerous times.

 

this

For myself I would rather have my questions answered by the NJSP, rather than someone on a forum that I don't know, or worse yet google. Just imagine you found yourself in a situation what would you say, "The internet said it was legal".

Well, If you searched "hollow points in NJ" on the Internet, you'll get different answers, but end up finding out through 2 legitimate website (NJSP's and the state's legislative website) that they are legal. However, a call to the State Police showed that the person answering the question had no clue. In this case, I would rely more on a printed document from a legitimate website instead of the "I called the the state police and sgt. Whoever said it was ok."

The bottom line is, in this state if it's not in writing, it doesn't exist.

I agree with everything vladtepes said in this thread.

 

Also, all your firearm related questions can be found in these laws. YOU have to interpret them to the best of your ability.

 

Title 2C Chapter 39

 

Title 2C Chapter 58

 

Administrative Code

 

If not in the laws, then it can be found by asking here.Take what is posted and then YOU decide what is valid and right.

I also concur with vladtepes and have it on good authority that just such events HAVE happened....

I agree with everything vladtepes said in this thread.

 

Also, all your firearm related questions can be found in these laws. YOU have to interpret them to the best of your ability.

 

Title 2C Chapter 39

 

Title 2C Chapter 58

 

Administrative Code

 

If not in the laws, then it can be found by asking here.Take what is posted and then YOU decide what is valid and right.

 

that is more or less what I was saying.. imo.. most of the law is pretty clear, especially in regards to banned guns.. is it named? NO is it substantially identical per NJ law? NO.. then it is legal...

 

I also concur with vladtepes and have it on good authority that just such events HAVE happened....

 

thanks! while I have no "insider info" I would have to wonder how someone so out of the firearms loop would even have an opinion on the IO AK.. the answer is simple.. someone brought it to her attention.. was it a direct result of a bunch of people bothering NJSP? I can't personally say for sure.. but what I can say is taking something that is off the radar and throwing it dead center of the radar is not going to help keep it available for long.. in fact to take it a step further I am not sure that the AG could even identify the AK action.. so again it is going to take something to pull her into the discussion.. I am reasonably sure she did not stumble across one while making a trip to the gun shop to pick up some ammo for her AR15... lol