Serious question.. Whats your idea of accurate?

 

What kind of group should you shoot and at what range with various sights?

 

Back up sights:

 

Red Dots:

 

Scopes:

I think one of the best ways, in my opinion, to judge accuracy is by a combination of point of aim/point of impact, and consistency. Basically......if you can hit where you are aiming on a consistent basis, to me that is accurate.

I think one of the best ways, in my opinion, to judge accuracy is by a combination of point of aim/point of impact, and consistency. Basically......if you can hit where you are aiming on a consistent basis, to me that is accurate.

Maybe i wasnt clear on my question.. I mean it in the sense that if you are using buck up sights you probably wont be shooting 500 yards... So at what ranges do you judge accuracy for the following sights?

 

MBUS/BUIS: 25 yards???

 

Red dots: ??

 

etc...

accuracy is sometimes confused as precision.

Everyone is different and so is their ability and idea of accuracy. We shot iron sights at 500 meters with an M16, accuracy was as long as it was in the black.

 

What type of group are you looking for? Grouping w/i a paper plate at 200 yds with iron sights I consider accurate enough. Some peiople will do much better than that.

 

A scoped rifle at 200 yds under 5 MOA depending on the type of rifle ( milsurps) I consider accurate enough. Some are better than others.

 

Everyone has a different opinion on this. I personaly think it is more to do with your ability than the guns.

I'm an advocate of the 10-shot groups, instead of 3 or 5 (which are fine for zeroing sights).

 

Apply that to what you're trying to accomplish. If you're going for precision shooting (or as precision as it can get depending on the AR), then you're going for smaller groups-- MOA/sub-MOA. If you're going for a "battle rifle" type where its effective shooting on a man-sized target from ranges 5-300M, then obviously its a different set of standards.

 

As for how well the sights should work... umm... well, I'm not really sure what you're trying to ask. The groupings for all of them should be consistent. Obviously if you have a 4/8+MOA red dot, your groups might consistently be a bit more spread if you're shooting at 100+ compared to using irons (if you're using the smaller aperture) or a magnified scope. Regardless, groupings should be consistent... if your target looks like it was hosed with bird shot, might be something to work on as a whole

accuracy is sometimes confused as precision.

 

This^^^^

The reason why I asked is because of this target.

 

That was only at 25 yards, granted I was shooting pretty fast not really taking my time but shouldn't it be more accurate/precise than that??? I'm worried that at longer distances i wont even be close.

The reason why I asked is because of this target.

 

That was only at 25 yards, granted I was shooting pretty fast not really taking my time but shouldn't it be more accurate/precise than that??? I'm worried that at longer distances i wont even be close.

 

Was that bench rest? Free hand? Prone?

Was that bench rest? Free hand? Prone?

 

Kneeling

@ 100 yds

 

Back up sights: 1.5 MOA

 

Red Dots: 5 MOA

 

Scopes: sub 1 MOA (assuming since we are talking scope we are talking precision).

@ 100 yds

 

Back up sights: 1.5 MOA

 

Red Dots: 5 MOA

 

Scopes: sub 1 MOA (assuming since we are talking scope we are talking precision).

 

I'm going to have to take a class on this MOA stuff. lol

Also on group size, its my humble opinion that 3 shots is an indicater of the rifle, 5 or more is an indicator of the trigger puller.

Also on group size, its my humble opinion that 3 shots is an indicater of the rifle, 5 or more is an indicator of the trigger puller.

 

I was using 3 shot groups to zero in for the first time.. One it seemed to be on target I let it rip with 15 rounds and thats what i got.

Now go see what your group looks like @ 100

should be able to cover the group with a dine at 25 yards, a nickle at 50 and a quarter at 100 yards to be considered accurate.

 

Just kidding not that groups like that wouldn't be considered accurate though.

 

Accurate is hitting your target. The target you showed I would say was pretty accurate assuming you were aiming for the center circle. If you want a shot group at 100 yards like that then go shoot at 100 yards until you get one. I like the picture posted by Tommy the best so far to explain it. Like everyone said it is subjective. I can say "My handgun is accurate, it consistently hits the targets I aim for." Then you can find out I shoot at targets that are 5' by 5'

Now go see what your group looks like @ 100

 

 

Believe me I want to.. I need to see what this baby can do. I'll have to take my time too and make sure there is no operator error.

 

Someone GUEST ME IN SOMEWHERE PLEASE!!!!!!!!!

Clariffied for the MOA challenged

 

 

Back up sights: >1.5 inches @ 100 yds

 

Red Dots: >5 inches @ 100 yds

 

Scopes: less than 1 " @ 100 yds (assuming since we are talking scope we are talking precision).

accuracy is sometimes confused as precision.

 

in this instance we must assume that the optics are zeroed properly.. I shot a few decent groups a couple weeks back.. but since the scope was not exactly where it should have been I was off center of target at 100yards..

 

 

in response to the original post.. did you mean accuracy in reference to a shooter.. gun.. or both.. because a good shooter might shoot incredibly tight groups but be nowhere near center if the optics are not adjusted properly.. the other aspect is ammo.. when I shoot my 308.. I see a pretty noticeable difference between cheap bulk ammo.. and TAP.. IMO accuracy is a hugely vague word, that could be applied to shooter.. gun.. or both..

 

your group is ok.. but at 25 yards.. shooting 223.. out of a rifle... it is honestly hard to say.. it is like using a sledge hammer to drive a tack.. as others posted wait till you get out to at least 75... and take some nice controlled 5-10 shot groups.. see where you are then.. that will tell you a lot more about you AND your guns ability.. post some more pics once you get out further!