Glock < M&P < XD

 

Fixed that for you.

Well i'll have to check out all 3 and obviously see what fits right for me..i'm def giving the edge to anything made in america.. we'll see after i weigh all the variables.

Enjoy your journey of finding the right gun for you , many views many opinions but it all comes down to what you like ......happy shopping !!

http://www.theprepared.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=90

 

I posted it several times, if you have not visited that link before you should check it out.. it is a Glock VS an unimaginable amount of abuse... is a Glock perfect.. no... does it have a nice smooth trigger.. not so much.. does it feel nice in your hands? most people seem to think no.. but one thing it is.. is durable.. as I stated in another thread.. like an idiot I did drop the gun on asphalt once.. with a round in the chamber.. gun did not discharge.. and I don't even think there were any permanent marks from it.. one thing a Glock does right is durability..

 

Reliability, Reliability, Reliability

 

Good post Vlad

 

as for me, 45acp goes to the XD. 9mm goes to the Glock, with the Px4 at a very close second.

The XD is very similar in design to the Glock. I'd say almost copyright infringement similar. I don't know about dropping it out of an airplane,

but somebody didan endurance test freezing it, submerging it, and burying it. Fail to cycle, FTF, and FTE did not occur. I'll try to find the link.

XD XD XD XD

 

By the way when is this whole Glock vs XD debate going to be put to rest? Jeesh Both are good. End of debate.

Revolver

 

(sorry, couldn't resist)

 

..but seriously. I'm surprised no one has mentioned the grip safety as a factor.

Tony... are they still making them in Croatia? I remember passing them up, HS2000, when they were like $250 back in early 2001-2002. Wow, it seems like last month.

 

I have owned all... only have the Glock 19 now, oh and a G20C... oh and another G20 on the way.

 

The XD grip safety is a nice feature, but not essential. The bore axis is too high on the gun for me. It just felt like it was trying to hard to be a glock, but missed it.

 

The M&Ps are nice guns also, , feel better in your hand the either the Glock or the XD. But for some reason mine was sold and I still have my g19.

 

Glocks work, they are ugly, they are cheap, they are plentiful, they are reliable, they feel like crud in your hand, they are accurate, everyone has one, your can find parts and accessories. Basically all guns designed since 1987 have wanted to be better then glocks, and I dont know if anyone has really hit the mark yet.

 

It pisses me off that after all these years of trying so many guns, lusting after HKs, SIGs, Walthers, S&W, etc etc, I shoot, trust and love this blocky , ugly, scratched up, unwieldy block of austrian crud.

 

Must be how my wife feels when she looks at me!

Tony... are they still making them in Croatia? I remember passing them up, HS2000, when they were like $250 back in early 2001-2002. Wow, it seems like last month.

 

I have owned all... only have the Glock 19 now, oh and a G20C... oh and another G20 on the way.

 

The XD grip safety is a nice feature, but not essential. The bore axis is too high on the gun for me. It just felt like it was trying to hard to be a glock, but missed it.

 

The M&Ps are nice guns also, , feel better in your hand the either the Glock or the XD. But for some reason mine was sold and I still have my g19.

 

Glocks work, they are ugly, they are cheap, they are plentiful, they are reliable, they feel like crud in your hand, they are accurate, everyone has one, your can find parts and accessories. Basically all guns designed since 1987 have wanted to be better then glocks, and I dont know if anyone has really hit the mark yet.

 

It pisses me off that after all these years of trying so many guns, lusting after HKs, SIGs, Walthers, S&W, etc etc, I shoot, trust and love this blocky , ugly, scratched up, unwieldy block of austrian crud.

 

Must be how my wife feels when she looks at me!

 

Yep, from what I understand they are still made in Croatia... both the XD's and the XDM's.

 

I admit that the Glock's are very reliable and will "take a lickin' and keep on tickin'"... but the darn things feel like crap in my hand. I've tried to shoot them and they are so darned uncomfortable in my hand that I can't shoot accurately with them. The worst is the bottom part of my trigger finger... it rubs on the inside edge of the trigger guard and eventually rubs raw. I've shot a G19, G17, and G22... and it's the same on all of them. If they were only comfortable for me to handle, I would probably own one.

TAPES or CD'S?

 

A few years ago I would of said glock but now that I'm grown and have catchers mits for paws I have to say the SA. Although I haven't shot the M&P yet both Glock and SA are proven names accurate, reliable, and structurally stable

Fixed that for you.

 

I ranked it based on what I see PDs around the country using. Glock is by far a #1... followed by M&P. Very few departments use the XD.

I ranked it based on what I see PDs around the country using. Glock is by far a #1... followed by M&P. Very few departments use the XD.

 

Common does not equal best. Consider for instance the following timepieces: Timex, Casio, Movado, Tag Heuer, Rolex, and Patek Phillipe. If we use commonality as a basis, then Timex is the best watch in the world, hands down. Takes a licking and keeps on ticking...

Common does not equal best. Consider for instance the following timepieces: Timex, Casio, Movado, Tag Heuer, Rolex, and Patek Phillipe. If we use commonality as a basis, then Timex is the best watch in the world, hands down. Takes a licking and keeps on ticking...

 

 

I've stayed out of this Dan. Don't tempt me.

I ranked it based on what I see PDs around the country using. Glock is by far a #1... followed by M&P. Very few departments use the XD.

 

They're common because PD's buy them in bulk and get huge discounts from Glock on the guns themselves and on parts. They don't buy them because they are the "best" pistol... By the way, many PD's are now switching over to M&P.

I've stayed out of this Dan. Don't tempt me.

 

Glock = Timex

I own three glocks... I have tried to convince myself to buy an XD or M&P, but the XD's bore axis is too high and I dont like the trigger. The M&P is nice, but I have heard a lot of horror stories with quality out of smith & wesson lately.

 

All my glocks have been flawless. And every time i try to convince myself to branch out, i weigh out the options and Glock always wins.

 

Why wasn't H&K on the list of tupperware? The price point?

I think because the OP realizes that H&K thinks he sucks and they hate him.

They're common because PD's buy them in bulk and get huge discounts from Glock on the guns themselves and on parts. They don't buy them because they are the "best" pistol... By the way, many PD's are now switching over to M&P.

 

No, they do some serious competitions to determine who gets what. But I will concede, Glock and the M&P are the top two contenders in the pistol market. Took S&W some time to develop a contender though... their first attempt was quite brutal... *cough* Sigma Series *cough*

 

So lest we forget, Glock came first, all imitators followed.

I ranked it based on what I see PDs around the country using. Glock is by far a #1... followed by M&P. Very few departments use the XD.

 

 

Few departments use the XD because SA does not have an armorers program. So repairs and maintenance must be shipped back to the factory. Rather bad planning on SA part.

Few departments use the XD because SA does not have an armorers program. So repairs and maintenance must be shipped back to the factory. Rather bad planning on SA part.

 

There is also the fact XDs are known to break down way earlier than Glocks and M&Ps...

There is also the fact XDs are known to break down way earlier than Glocks and M&Ps...

 

Um, any proof to this?

Um, any proof to this?

 

 

Somewhere here there is a link to another forum's discussion that does confirm this.

Somewhere here there is a link to another forum's discussion that does confirm this.

 

False!

There is also the fact XDs are known to break down way earlier than Glocks and M&Ps...

 

I think you are just being the devils advocate.

False!

 

 

My search skills have failed me. It was a 10+ page long topic on AR15.com that got posted here a few months ago.. Basically it came down to XD's failing long before Glocks did in Police department testing. Considering most of us will never put those kind of rounds through our guns, it is probably moot for most of us. I think it went on that long because some of the posters were thinking about using it as a competition gun and there were some professionals who wouldn't use it or stopped using it because it broke down.

 

Edit: Found it.

http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=5&f=4&t=97679

My search skills have failed me. It was a 10+ page long topic on AR15.com that got posted here a few months ago.. Basically it came down to XD's failing long before Glocks did in Police department testing. Considering most of us will never put those kind of rounds through our guns, it is probably moot for most of us. I think it went on that long because some of the posters were thinking about using it as a competition gun and there were some professionals who wouldn't use it or stopped using it because it broke down.

 

Edit: Found it.

http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=5&f=4&t=97679

 

There was a lot of talk about how SA took a $250 croation HS2000, slapped their name on it, added the striker indicator and loaded chamber indicator, and retailed it at around the same as a Glock.

nonsense, pure nonsense. Every gun is different and the life expentency from an XD is the same as a M&P and it's the same as a Glock, UNKNOWN! A kabomb, frame cracks, or rails wearing down are natural and every gun is different.

nonsense, pure nonsense. Every gun is different and the life expentency from an XD is the same as a M&P and it's the same as a Glock, UNKNOWN! A kabomb, frame cracks, or rails wearing down are natural and every gun is different.

 

 

 

 

 

Should I assume that both homes will provide their owners with the same degree of shelter and security because they were built using roughly the same construction materials? Design and assembly skill still count for something. While the unexpected kaboom, etc can happen to any gun, there are still trends and patterns that emerge, and they shouldn't be discounted because of random occurrences..

Yeah, but If I wall of water 50 feet high traveling at 100mph comes threw it wouldn't matter what house your in, which is my point.