I heard on the BBC that China just refurbished an old Russian carrier, and this will be their first carrier. The U.S. has over 100 years of naval experience according to one of the hosts on the BBC and our Navy is pretty much badass. Even if they develop a missile that can take down a carrier, it's kinda hard when you have missiles that can intercept other missiles lmfao.

They dont have the antiquated technology that many of us think they do. The Chinese have one of the most advanced submarine forces in the world. From an inside source, the war wont be with us it will be with Russia.....

 

You think they want to start a fight with Russia? I can see them wanting energy and other natural resources from them, but I'm sure it would come at a great cost. More important, they would be risking it going nuclear. Putin is nuts, he just may push the button.

 

My theory is all this buildup is to deter the US and anyone else from interfering in their regional business using "battleship diplomacy". For instance, if their gradual govt takeover of Taiwan doesn't work out, and they have to use the military option. They want to deter our fleet from getting too close by use of air, sub, ground based ASM's , sub torpedos, and that new anti-ship ballistic missile. I believe they want to have such an anti-ship capability in excess , as to make it an easy decision for the US to not approach Taiwan to offer military assistance.

I heard on the BBC that China just refurbished an old Russian carrier, and this will be their first carrier. The U.S. has over 100 years of naval experience according to one of the hosts on the BBC and our Navy is pretty much badass. Even if they develop a missile that can take down a carrier, it's kinda hard when you have missiles that can intercept other missiles lmfao.

 

Their subs are a whole other beast though.

What do you mean by this?

 

 

The government doesn't just create the impression....criminals are granted a lot more than people think. I know a guy who works in corrections. They had a prisoner who was a convicted murderer. While in jail, he killed someone....don't remember if it was another inmate or a corrections officer. But he went to trial for killing that person in jail. While at the trial, he got to wear presentable clothes that were provided by the PROSECUTORS OFFICE. I repeat, the Prosecutors Office whose job it was to convict an already convicted murderer for ANOTHER murder had to provide clothes for him to look presentable to the jury. He also was not cuffed. I understand that since the burden of proving his guilt is on the state, but they should absolutely not be allowing a convicted murderer on trial for ANOTHER murder to sit their uncuffed, in a suit provided by the prosecutors office (our tax money). There was another inmate who was able to escape because he was not restrained during a trial, and left unsupervised.

 

6th Amendment: In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.

 

The defendant is provided appropriate clothes and is uncuffed to ensure the jury is impartial.

 

That an inmate was left unsupervised speaks more to incompetence than to a broken system. The times I've been in court, there is no shortage of deputies to supervise people.

maybe we can just mind our own business in relation to the world and we would no longer have to worry about all that because other nations would not be so hell bent on our destruction..

 

 

+100

 

There is no reason for an American Empire in the 21st Century. Now if only our country would focus on energy self sufficiency. I would love to have us develop the technology, spread it around the world, get rich off of it, and watch the autocratic oil driven regimes in the middle east implode.

Putin is nuts, he just may push the button.

+100

 

There is no reason for an American Empire in the 21st Century. Now if only our country would focus on energy self sufficiency. I would love to have us develop the technology, spread it around the world, get rich off of it, and watch the autocratic oil driven regimes in the middle east implode.

 

If you think the mideast is screwed up now - what would it be like then?? They're trying to blow us up where we live now, what would stop them? It's not like they're superiorly funded right now - their technology and weapons are made up Macguyver like. It reminds me of the Apollo 13 mission where the head honchos get together with the engineers and throw a box of spare parts and minor tools on a bench and say "fix that bird so we can get those boys home". It seems as though many of these groups are flying by the seat of their pants. Certainly, I realize that they ARE being funded (and some groups even being funded domestically).

 

The only reason for an American Empire today (IMO) is to keep us safe HERE.

If you think the mideast is screwed up now - what would it be like then?? They're trying to blow us up where we live now, what would stop them? It's not like they're superiorly funded right now - their technology and weapons are made up Macguyver like. It reminds me of the Apollo 13 mission where the head honchos get together with the engineers and throw a box of spare parts and minor tools on a bench and say "fix that bird so we can get those boys home". It seems as though many of these groups are flying by the seat of their pants. Certainly, I realize that they ARE being funded (and some groups even being funded domestically).

 

The only reason for an American Empire today (IMO) is to keep us safe HERE.

 

 

our force roam the earth attempting to set right what is wrong...save nations under tyrannical rule... feed the poor... house the homeless...

 

bu yet we have a giant open border with Mexico that even after the people of America have BEGGED to have secure still remains open for anyone to waltz across.. drug runners, violent criminals, people who want to steal and milk American resources.. we have our own homeless starving and dying on the frozen streets of major cities.. and so on.. you get the idea..

 

the point is simple.. I care about my neighbor.. if his roof fell down in a storm.. I would help him.. if his family was hungry I would try to feed them.. that is AFTER my family has been taken care of... security, and charity start at home.. our nation is literally crumbling into financial ruin, helping everyone else, at the expense of the American tax payer.. this is IMO the problem...

 

this is not intended to be a "political post" it is not about republicans.. or democrats.. but about something far more basic.. and that is right and wrong..

That's the thing though, vlad, for the most part every nation's actions have an ulterior motive. There are exceptions, like during relief efforts after major natural disasters, but otherwise why invest (time and money and emotions/care) into something or someone that would have no return? Look at Sudan and the Darfur region; the plight of Tibet; the millions of lives affected by the global sex trafficking market; etc. I'm not saying that the US should be involved, no, that's a different argument... I'm saying that the US have not and will not be involved in such affairs because there is no return, or it could actually be detrimental to other ties.

 

Morally right and morally wrong are reserved for the individual, otherwise its all just business IMO.

Unfortunately it is all just business. And unfortunately there needs to be a balance between helping others and helping ourselves. Just like vlad said.....we need to help ourselves before we can help others. I think that in a few years time....maybe a decade, we won't be in a position to be helping ANYBODY out along with ourselves. If it's strictly business motives.....what could be the return game for the war in Iraq and Afghanistan? Where we have spent hundreds upon hundreds of billions of dollars and even worse....countless lives? What's the return game for that? A fossil fuel that will actually be obsolete LONG before we recover from this mess. Great business practice.

just thinking about the title of this thread... Maybe we should think about whether we want to continue to accept Chinese MONEY, before we start worrying about "accepting" their military. Who do people think is financing the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan? And while we're spending the $$ they lend us on supporting oil companies in the middle east, they are quietly locking up the freakin' whole of Africa and its resources for the rest of the century.

 

It's time we looked ahead, not back - we can only be the Global Policeman if our economy will support it - our OWN economy, not our borrowed one. We SHOULD only be the Global Policeman, economy notwithstanding, when ever kid is fed and has shoes and is vaccinated, when education and healthcare are available resources for those who want them, not commodities to be sold to the highest bidder to huge profit of a tiny number, and when we are at peace with and tolerant of our fellow countrymen.

 

G