Hi,

 

What hoops do I have to jump through to get a permit for a SBR (Short Barreld Rifle)?

I Know I have to purchase some type of tax stamp with the ATF and that's $200.00.

Is it hard to get? I there an extended waiting period?

 

I line the RONI by EMA Tactical with the Glock Platform.

 

Is it worth the Hassle? Can my buddy fire mine if I get it, or is he breaking the law?

 

Sorry for all the questions but I really would like to own one of those things.

 

Anyone have one?

 

Thanks,

 

Lou in Lyndhurst

 

http://www.ematactical.com/viewProduct.asp?ID=267&catID=376

SBRs are not allowed in NJ.

 

The NFA items allowed in NJ are MGs and AOWs (and good looking getting the paperwork signed off for those).

 

So, sorry, no-go for the RONI.

Really?

Thanks Ben. Just one more reason to leave this craphole of a state.

If it wasnt for my need to be close to NYC for my retirement job, I'd

be outta here like Valdimier.

I can have a safe full of weapons, but no SBR. Dont you feel safe now?

Lou

I totally feel for you. I too have previously examined the NFA laws, and was disappointed for the same reasons. I suppose its just one more reason to get out of NJ

SBRs are not allowed in NJ.

 

The NFA items allowed in NJ are MGs and AOWs (and good looking getting the paperwork signed off for those).

 

So, sorry, no-go for the RONI.

Unless you Live in the ame town as the range you are shooting at, OR, own enough property to shoot on in a town that does not have a "No Discharge' ordinance, Machineguns are effectively, if not Statutorily banned. The problem isnt necessarily the Signoff by your local CLEO, as difficult as that may be..it's the signoffs by the Chiefs in EVERY MUNICIPALITY you would tramsnprot the MG through from your place of Residence to where you would Shoot it that make this an effective Ban, if not a stautory one.

Unless you Live in the ame town as the range you are shooting at, OR, own enough property to shoot on in a town that does not have a "No Discharge' ordinance, Machineguns are effectively, if not Statutorily banned. The problem isnt necessarily the Signoff by your local CLEO, as difficult as that may be..it's the signoffs by the Chiefs in EVERY MUNICIPALITY you would tramsnprot the MG through from your place of Residence to where you would Shoot it that make this an effective Ban, if not a stautory one.

 

Its true, but I'm simply stating what "is," and not necessarily what "isn't" (yet). And who knows? Maybe someone on the board has enough money and/or pull, and has the ability to have an MG-- so, it would be irresponsible to say that they are completely illegal.

Its true, but I'm simply stating what "is," and not necessarily what "isn't" (yet). And who knows? Maybe someone on the board has enough money and/or pull, and has the ability to have an MG-- so, it would be irresponsible to say that they are completely illegal.

I recall a story about (I can't remember his name) a former Director of the Treasury (under which the ATF is a division) under the first President Bush, who lived in the Harding area, who applied for a MG license and was denied. If someone who was entrusted to run the the Treasury can't be trusted to own an MG by NJ, no one is going to get an MG license.

Unless you Live in the ame town as the range you are shooting at, OR, own enough property to shoot on in a town that does not have a "No Discharge' ordinance, Machineguns are effectively, if not Statutorily banned. The problem isnt necessarily the Signoff by your local CLEO, as difficult as that may be..it's the signoffs by the Chiefs in EVERY MUNICIPALITY you would tramsnprot the MG through from your place of Residence to where you would Shoot it that make this an effective Ban, if not a stautory one.

I haven't read the MG statute recently, but isn't there a requirement that a judge also approve the MG license?

It is possible and I do know of legally owned MGs in NJ. They are very, very, very difficult to obtain however(as already noted).

GlennP has one... as well as USNMars

 

Edit: I mean MG.

I can think of at least one entity that has an MG; so, I know for a fact that it is definitely feasible.

GlennP has one... as well as USNMars

 

Edit: I mean MG.

 

I'm 95% sure that GP does not have a MG. If you're referring to the Browning 1919s they are semi-auto. I can't speak for USN. Furthermore, idk that anyone with a legally owned MG in NJ wants that information on display on a public forum.

Well they're "converted" MG's. Semi auto only. Both have posted pics/videos of them here.

Well they're "converted" MG's. Semi auto only. Both have posted pics/videos of them here.

 

Yes, but converted MG's that only shoot semi-auto are not considered machine guns by the BATFE and NJSP.

Ok you got me there. Nevermind then

MG is the term used in the NFA laws, but it essentially means a select-fire firearm that can expend more then one round per trigger squeeze (aka fully automatic vs. semi-automatic)

Yes, but converted MG's that only shoot semi-auto are not considered machine guns by the BATFE and NJSP.

 

This. The Semi-auto versions of the classic MG's (1919, MG-34, Ect) are made from new recievers, even those that have been torch cut, and re-assembled, have to be altered so that they CANNOT accept the original MG parts. Usually this entails altering the bolt, and removing and/or adding parts that caused it to fire Full Auto. In the case of the 1919's, there is a whole new Right Side Plate (This is the part the ATF considers to be the "Machine Gun") and machining done on the bolt. ANY conversion method had to be submitted to ATF's Technical Branch for authorization before it could be possessed or sold by anone other than an 07FFL/SOT. There are a couple of other websites dedicated to the belt-feds out there so i wont go into all the details. I had a chance on an Israeli .308 1919 kit years ago, and i didnt jump at it at the time, and now I regret it.