Does anyone know the bottem line on owning/buying/transferring the 223,7.62 and 308's? Why do some FFL's move em and some don't? I'm talking stock, not converted factory guns. I saw something somewhere that "Kaliznikov" was no good but RAA Saiga was ok, whatever. If i see a good deal and want to jump on it what are my options? Or am i just thinking too much about it. Thanx. Oh yea, feel free to give any recomondations on em.

Does anyone know the bottem line on owning/buying/transferring the 223,7.62 and 308's? Why do some FFL's move em and some don't? I'm talking stock, not converted factory guns. I saw something somewhere that "Kaliznikov" was no good but RAA Saiga was ok, whatever. If i see a good deal and want to jump on it what are my options? Or am i just thinking too much about it. Thanx. Oh yea, feel free to give any recomondations on em.

 

 

Is the Saiga listed as a banned gun by name under NJ law?

NO

 

Is it substantially identical as defined by NJ law?

semi-automatic rifle that has the ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least 2 of the

following:

a folding or telescoping stock;

2. a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon;

3. a bayonet mount;

a flash suppressor or threaded barrel designed to accommodate a flash suppressor; and

5. a grenade launcher;

NO

 

then it is legal IMO...

 

some FFLs are erroring on the side of caution and not transferring them at the moment because a company called IO Inc or something like that sold a "NJ Legal AK47" and the state got involved and stopped sales of that firearm.. there has been no firm ruling that I am aware of on the issue with that particular firearm... the issue that stands out to me is that the firearm was actually called an AK47 which is banned by name under NJ law.. a Saiga is not an AK47.. it is a Saiga...

 

this is just my opinion.. I am not a lawyer..

1. "Avtomat Kalashnikov type semi-automatic firearms" are considered assault weapons and are banned by law.

2. If it is like an AK, i.e. SAR, PSL and Saiga, etc., it must be altered to comply with the NJAG Guideline of 1996.

3. Of course, the new AG considers all AK types to be banned regardless of what the prior AG stated, ref: Cheyenne Mountain.

4. "When dealing in guns, the citizen acts at his peril."

 

ETA: vladtepes are you my long lost twin brother?

1. "Avtomat Kalashnikov type semi-automatic firearms" are considered assault weapons and are banned by law.

2. If it is like an AK, i.e. SAR, PSL and Saiga, etc., it must be altered to comply with the NJAG Guideline of 1996.

3. Of course, the new AG considers all AK types to be banned regardless of what the prior AG stated, ref: Cheyenne Mountain.

4. "When dealing in guns, the citizen acts at his peril."

 

ETA: vladtepes are you my long lost twin brother?

 

 

it is quite possible..

do we have to worry about going to the range with our saigas?

do we have to worry about going to the range with our saigas?

 

 

does your range disallow NJ legal firearms? firearms that were legally purchased in the thousands within this state?

 

 

I shoot my Saiga ALL the time at a county owned range.. I have never had a single issue.. in fact the ROs have shot my rifle on numerous occasions..

does your range disallow NJ legal firearms? firearms that were legally purchased in the thousands within this state?

 

 

I shoot my Saiga ALL the time at a county owned range.. I have never had a single issue.. in fact the ROs have shot my rifle on numerous occasions..

 

 

no i dont think so, but with all this talk of ak type rifles from the ag, the saiga fits that description doesnt it, looks like one, even though its not fully automatic...

no i dont think so, but with all this talk of ak type rifles from the ag, the saiga fits that description doesnt it, looks like one, even though its not fully automatic...

 

 

here is the thing..

 

*AK variants have been sold state wide for YEARS.. want to recall them ALL? good luck..

*that IO Inc company made an item they advertised as a NJ legal AK47.. AK rifles are banned by name in NJ.. a saiga is a saiga which is not an AK..

*on top of that another forum member pointed out the receiver was actually marked AK.. AK rifles are banned by name in NJ.. Saiga is not...

*does the Saiga you have conform to NJ standards as being NOT substantially identical? if so you should be fine..

 

so all of this SHOULD have no bearing on legally owned rifles that kind of look like AKs even though they are not.. providing you play the evil parts game.. I bought the gun legally in NJ.. I have not done anything to make it substantially identical as defined by law.. so I am good to go.. I am assuming you are as well..

 

AND if you are still not sure.. I am sure there are people on this forum that would gladly buy it off of you.. = )

And what's the difference between a converted Saiga 7.62 and a real AK other than full auto?

And what's the difference between a converted Saiga 7.62 and a real AK other than full auto?

 

http://gunwiki.net/Gunwiki/GunSaigaVsAk

And what's the difference between a converted Saiga 7.62 and a real AK other than full auto?

 

 

MY Gun: Saiga 7.62x39

 

IO Inc: AK47-C 7.62x39

 

as I have said all along.. the law says AK Type rifles... so AK type rifles are banned by name.. so then a AK47-C is an AK type gun as it is specifically named.. while a Saiga may be similar.. it is not substantially identical as defined by law.. what it LOOKS like is irrelevant.. you must count the parts to be sure you are compliant..

Still confused, not that unusual. When looking at Saigas I see a bunch of different manufacturer/importer references- ARI,Arsenal,RAA,Izhmash,Kalishnakov. What the heck is what and how does any of them relate to NJ compliance? Just saw a buncha nib 223's that sold for $275 as a special and the 7.62 is going for $339 however I'm not jumping on one that is"labeled" wrong or is a questionable purchase. Homework was never my thing but gotta do whatever to get it right.

Still confused, not that unusual. When looking at Saigas I see a bunch of different manufacturer/importer references- ARI,Arsenal,RAA,Izhmash,Kalishnakov. What the heck is what and how does any of them relate to NJ compliance? Just saw a buncha nib 223's that sold for $275 as a special and the 7.62 is going for $339 however I'm not jumping on one that is"labeled" wrong or is a questionable purchase. Homework was never my thing but gotta do whatever to get it right.

 

 

A Saiga is a Saiga as far as I am aware.. Butch's gun world in Vineland might even have them in stock...

 

the Saiga is legal if it is in stock form...

 

if it has already been converted then you need to make sure it has been done right 10 or less foreign parts... no folding stock.. no flash hider or threaded barrel.. no bayonet lug.. no grenade launcher.. and no magazine capacity beyond 15 rounds..

its legal until the idiot attorney general decides to screw us over again and arbitrarily deem something 'illegal' after being legal for the past 15 years. while this bs wouldnt stop me from buying something, you now have to wonder what will be next. buy at your own risk, and realize some misinformed anti-gun hag may suddenly say what you rightfully bought is now illegal.

My recommendation on saigas?

 

Buy them. Convert them into pistol grip (because the stock trigger with the long linkage sucks). Then shoot the hell out of them.

 

Watch out for the vodka specials though. Make sure the front sight isn't canted and work the action a few times.

 

I'd also buy the shotgun, because once people start seeing them in Sons of Guns on Discovery Channel, they're going to start becoming more popular.