I thought this was pretty cool. I know you all probably get this newletter anyway but for those that don't......

The World's Largest Army

I bet you didn’t know this. . .

 

In WWII, Japan's highest-ranking naval officer was Isoruku Yamamoto. Although he was Japanese, and his loyalties were unquestionably with The Empire, he studied for many years in America, graduating from Harvard University. There is an oft-repeated (and sometimes disputed) quote attributed to him regarding the possibility of any nation taking a war to American soil:

 

"You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass."

 

Here is why he was correct:

 

America's Hunters. The World's Largest Army.

 

The state of Wisconsin has gone an entire deer hunting season without someone getting killed. That's great, considering there were over 600,000 hunters that got permits this year.

 

Allow me to restate that number: 600,000

 

Over the last two months, the eighth largest army in the world - more men under arms than Iran; more than France and Germany combined - deployed to the woods of a single American state to keep the deer population under control.

 

But that pales in comparison to the 750,000 who are in the woods of Pennsylvania this week. Michigan's 700,000 hunters have now returned home. Toss in a quarter million hunters in West Virginia, and it is literally the case that the hunters of those four states alone would comprise the largest army in the world.

 

And that is just FOUR states.

 

The total population of registered hunters in America today ranges from 23 million to 43.7 million individuals. (Based on annual data provided by the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service.) As long as the American Hunter retains his right to Bear Arms, America will forever be safe from foreign invasion of troops.

They should all attend an Appleseed shoot and then we would never have to worry about foreign invasions ever again.

 

I love this country and realize that we scare the crap out of all the other places in the world.

 

Ha! Thank you grandpop for immigrating.

The only problem with that quote is that it is attributed to Yamamoto and there is no historical record that he or any other Japanese leader ever said it.

just think, these are only the REGISTERED hunters. Each one of us here probably have an arsenal at home. I believe, if we were invaded, we would arm our family, friends and neighbors to keep the enemy away. add this to amount of hunters and see where we stand.

 

i believe this is WHY our 2nd amendment rights are most important. we need to defend ourselves, our family & foremost, our country!

just think, these are only the REGISTERED hunters. Each one of us here probably have an arsenal at home. I believe, if we were invaded, we would arm our family, friends and neighbors to keep the enemy away. add this to amount of hunters and see where we stand.

 

i believe this is WHY our 2nd amendment rights are most important. we need to defend ourselves, our family & foremost, our country!

 

I might arm some of my friends but most of my neighbors suck. I'd use them as bait!

I might arm some of my friends but most of my neighbors suck. I'd use them as bait!

Could not have said that better myself.

Organization and training are needed for our nation's gun owners to be effective against a professional well equipped army. By nature, we are inherently divided (not counting your friends and buddies that live in the same town,etc).

 

That takes out the invading army's need to "divide and conquer" , they can move right into the conquer part...

Organization and training are needed for our nation's gun owners to be effective against a professional well equipped army. By nature, we are inherently divided (not counting your friends and buddies that live in the same town,etc).

 

That takes out the invading army's need to "divide and conquer" , they can move right into the conquer part...

 

I guess you don't remember something called the Revolutinary War. Or Vietnam. Or the Soviets in Afghanistan. All professinal well eqipped armies vs the unorganized citizens. We won our freedom, we pulled out of Vietnam, the Soviets pulled out of Afghanistan. Don't underestimated the power of ordinary citizens!

I guess you don't remember something called the Revolutinary War. Or Vietnam. Or the Soviets in Afghanistan. All professinal well eqipped armies vs the unorganized citizens. We won our freedom, we pulled out of Vietnam, the Soviets pulled out of Afghanistan. Don't underestimated the power of ordinary citizens!

 

I knew this would come up. I do not underestimate, only saying that a well organized effort would be necessary to fend off a standing army. Not each gun owner defending their house.

 

Almost all the invasion fighting scenarios involve a loosely organized insurgency , and a well organized element of professional soldiers (aka trained, ranked, full-time,etc).

 

All of your examples include both elements.

Battalion NJGF...kinda has a ring to it.

I knew this would come up. I do not underestimate, only saying that a well organized effort would be necessary to fend off a standing army. Not each gun owner defending their house.

 

Almost all the invasion fighting scenarios involve a loosely organized insurgency , and a well organized element of professional soldiers (aka trained, ranked, full-time,etc).

 

All of your examples include both elements.

 

Well I think it always starts off unorganized but gets semi organized pretty quick once people get fed up. Leaders always emerge in a time of crisis.

all I know is I love to hunt and track animals, lay in wait in full camo just blending in, setting traps and seeing what 'sticks', so I dont think the skill set would be hard to translate.

 

There is a skill in all of this. Many hunters already posess these tactical skills. In some ways, animals are alot smarter than humans in getting away from us because they know the land, can see us, smell us, etc before we can get close in most cases.

So if you introduce a foreign army to our land that we know, surely they will be defeated as loosely defined tactical 'Americans' could beat any army.

 

If we can bag 15 geese, 2 bears, 8 deer, countless birds, coyotes, foxes, on their own turf, then surely we could bag us a few thousand assholes on our turf.

Imagine a foreign troop movement up rt 80, until garret mntn, then all hell breaks loose, or people hiding in the marshes along the raritan to stop a troop landing...etc...these are highly unlikley scenarios, but if it did happen, many people would just jump right in and stop an invasion, then many more would join in...this is what makes a free nation. the right to defend, the right to hunt.

I knew this would come up. I do not underestimate, only saying that a well organized effort would be necessary to fend off a standing army. Not each gun owner defending their house.

 

Almost all the invasion fighting scenarios involve a loosely organized insurgency , and a well organized element of professional soldiers (aka trained, ranked, full-time,etc).

 

All of your examples include both elements.

 

 

Off the top of my head I can name half a dozen NJGF guys that have military experience... They're on speed dial.

all I know is I love to hunt and track animals, lay in wait in full camo just blending in, setting traps and seeing what 'sticks', so I dont think the skill set would be hard to translate.

 

There is a skill in all of this. Many hunters already posess these tactical skills. In some ways, animals are alot smarter than humans in getting away from us because they know the land, can see us, smell us, etc before we can get close in most cases.

So if you introduce a foreign army to our land that we know, surely they will be defeated as loosely defined tactical 'Americans' could beat any army.

 

If we can bag 15 geese, 2 bears, 8 deer, countless birds, coyotes, foxes, on their own turf, then surely we could bag us a few thousand assholes on our turf.

Imagine a foreign troop movement up rt 80, until garret mntn, then all hell breaks loose, or people hiding in the marshes along the raritan to stop a troop landing...etc...these are highly unlikley scenarios, but if it did happen, many people would just jump right in and stop an invasion, then many more would join in...this is what makes a free nation. the right to defend, the right to hunt.

 

Then when it is all finished the NJSP would arrest everyone for unlawful possession of a weapon and possession of a weapon for an unlawful purpose.....Seriously, they probably would...!

And this is why I practice my 2nd Amendment rights. If the citizens of the Soviet Union or Poland/Germany were allowed gun rights, the Holocaust would not of happened. Look at Israel... the citizens thought for their rights to their land and lives and won. Citizens against armies of the other Arab nations.

 

I believe it was Sun Tzu, that said something to the effect of you can fight an organized enemy, but you cannot one that is in chaos or random.

 

Think of it this way... NJ Alone, over 800,000 legal gun owners. that is 1 in 10 people own firearms. That does not include the criminals, the airsoft and paintball crowd, the LE, former military, or the NJ national guard, whom would be quickly able to grasp firearms. God bless whomever would be stupid enough to try to invade the state. And this is just NJ. We are not talking about gun friendly AZ, Nevada, Texas or the south.

Think of it this way... NJ Alone, over 800,000 legal gun owners. that is 1 in 10 people own firearms. That does not include the criminals, the airsoft and paintball crowd, the LE, former military, or the NJ national guard, whom would be quickly able to grasp firearms. God bless whomever would be stupid enough to try to invade the state.

 

I'm not going to lie to you. We're watching you knuckleheads across the river and the subject has come up.

Off the top of my head I can name half a dozen NJGF guys that have military experience... They're on speed dial.

Can I get that list too?

Then when it is all finished the NJSP would arrest everyone for unlawful possession of a weapon and possession of a weapon for an unlawful purpose.....Seriously, they probably would...!

 

"but but I'm trying to defend our homeland Officer!, look the enemy is landing right over there in the bay!"

 

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"Tell it to the judge"

guess you don't remember something called the Revolutinary War. Or Vietnam. Or the Soviets in Afghanistan. All professinal well eqipped armies vs the unorganized citizens. We won our freedom, we pulled out of Vietnam, the Soviets pulled out of Afghanistan. Don't underestimated the power of ordinary citizens

 

Not entirely true. The Minutemen were local militia who got rudimentary training. Early in the Revolutionary War the Continental Army lost most of their battles to the British until Von Steuben came along and established training standards and methods.

 

The Viet Cong were basically wiped out whem they all came out of the woodwork in Tet 68. Along with the North Vietnamese Army they were supposed to be able to get the population of South Vietnam to rise up against the US and ARVN troops. It didn't happen. After Tet 68 the VC were just about non existent. I know I was there. Virtually all major actions with the US were with NVA regulars. These guys were in for the duration unless they got seriously wounded or killed. Many of these NVA were fighting since the French in the 50s. There were a few who had started fighting the Japanese. Yet we still beat them with our draftee army. The NVA never won a major action against US Forces. If you don't want to believe me then read the excerpts from General Giap's memoirs about halfway down the green box here:

 

http://www.snopes.com/quotes/giap.asp

 

The Russians never controlled the countryside in Afghanistan. When we started supplyong the Muhadijin with Stinger missiles the Russians couldn't fly anywhere. It was only after the CIA got the Muhadijin organized and established alliances between groups that the Russians decided to leave.

 

Can an unorganized mob defeat a modern army? Yes if they are willing to take the casualities. There were I think 19 Rangers and Delta soldiers killed in Somalia in the "Blackhawk Down" fight. Yes they made us retreat to our base there. But the US soldiers there killed about 1000 Somaliis (sp?). Professional soldiers are capable of damage far in excess of their numbers.

 

If we can bag 15 geese, 2 bears, 8 deer, countless birds, coyotes, foxes, on their own turf, then surely we could bag us a few thousand assholes on our turf.

 

Well yeah, but...geese, bears, etc aren't shooting back or they are sitting in a tank, aircraft, etc. They have artillery and air support. Can it be done? Yes but not without serious organization.

Can I get that list too?

 

Dude - you're on the list.

 

I believe it was Sun Tzu, that said something to the effect of you can fight an organized enemy, but you cannot one that is in chaos or random.

And this is the reason why no one will ever win the war on terrorism. How do you fight an enemy that wears no uniform, has no face, and abides by no rules of engagement? Hopefully none of us ever see the day that we need to defend ourselves in this country because of this sh*t.

Dude - you're on the list.

 

Don't put me on that list!

Don't put me on that list!

 

You're in PA... nuff said.

I believe it was Sun Tzu, that said something to the effect of you can fight an organized enemy, but you cannot one that is in chaos or random

 

Maks I think you have it confused with this quote:

 

In the midst of disorders and turmoil in war, while the troops have to fight under chaotic situations, they must remain orderly and in control. In the midst of confusion and chaos in fighting, one must still be able to marshal the troops from all directions and deploy them such that they cannot be defeated.

 

He's saying you can't fight with your troops in chaos. Chaos and disruption is what you try to inflict on the enemy.

 

Don't get me wrong. If there were an invasion of the US there would a lot of resistance movements in many areas of the country as in "Red Dawn". They would be largely ineffective unless there was organization. Basic things like who is in charge, what do we do, can I pass if I don't like the operation that's planned all have to be established. The class president doesn't necessarily take over.

 

How do you fight an enemy that wears no uniform, has no face, and abides by no rules of engagement?

 

You fight it for what it is, an insurgency. Different rules apply. An insurgency that recruits members in other countries, coordinates attacks, and uses the press for publicity is certainly organized.

There has been effective COIN for awhile now actually, regardless of what the media outlets may or may not show. Though the tactics are still being fine-tuned and T&E'ed, COIN has been around as long as there have been gaps between opponents (dating back a couple hundred thousand years).

 

Now, if a foreign power were foolish enough to set foot on US soil, they would likely [try to] apply the the same COIN concepts the US military, as well as past military forces have in the past, are currently applying to combat insurgency in the ongoing operations. I don't think they would be successful for a myriad of reasons.

The Blood and Crips and other such gangs are organized and armed. They might present a 2nd enemy group as they could use the chaos to their advantage.

The Blood and Crips and other such gangs are organized and armed. They might present a 2nd enemy group as they could use the chaos to their advantage.

Target Practice

An invading army would still need to fight the U.S. organized military, as well as whatever resistance groups rise up. What we need to be worried about is what led the founding fathers to include the 2nd Amendment in our Bill of RIghts.

 

Where would the organized military stand if some hypothetical future U.S. government started becoming oppressive in a Stalinist or Nazi manner? Having been in the military I know what most of the individuals would do, but the organization itself, the US DoD would likely still stand with the government.

 

I don't see that scenario occurring, and pray that it never does.

 

Oh, and if some invading army just wants New Jersey? They can have it. I live a few hundred yards from America and would gladly cede my current ground!

Oh, and if some invading army just wants New Jersey? They can have it. I live a few hundred yards from America and would gladly cede my current ground!

 

We are expecting that the people who are able to resist will choose not to. The plan is more of a forced insurrection than invasion and occupation.

Off the top of my head I can name half a dozen NJGF guys that have military experience... They're on speed dial.

 

 

ya no kidding. And you can imagine the percentage of all of those hunters that have had military experience as well. "Hunter," can also be veteran.