I read this on Henderson Defense site :

 

We apologize for the price increase but our distributors have raised our prices! The "study" that we recently release from ATF appears to be aimed at the Saiga shotgun importation. That being said, distributors are NOT lowering our prices at this time. More details...

 

>>> wat study are they talking about ?????

>>> wat study are they talking about ?????

 

 

This one maybe?

 

http://www.atf.gov/publications/firearms/012611-study-on-importality-of-certain-shotguns.pdf

Wow they did.a good job.... Even put pix for the government tards .... Pic of the saiga, for no apparent reason of course, looks like, what do politicians call those .... Oh yee "assault rifles" ..... Cause that's how saiga shotguns are imported .... Black evil shotgun .... Used in 90% of all "assault weapon" crimes probably but who cares about statistics. They must look like they are doing something useful ..... hilarious .. Now they want ppl to provide them with a reason why we have this kind of

shotgun and not the other....

They are enforcing importation laws exactly to the specs of what the anti-gunners are aiming for. The BATF dictates what is "sporting" or not regarding imported guns. This could easily be abused so that eventually we wind up only being able to import single shot rifles and shotguns. That is exactly the path they are on. I wouldn't be surprised if they ban any SA guns from importation in the next 5 years.

 

Once the BATF has gone through years of internal deliberation and guidelines on what is considered sporting, the anti-gunners will push for it to be used internally with US made guns. Don't be fooled, this is their long term plan. How easy would it be for the anti-gunner's to push for legislation equivalent to the BATF's rulings on gun importation as defined by their "sporting" purpose guidelines honed over the past XX years.

 

Here is an example from the document:

 

"While a folding stock or telescoping stock makes it easier to carry

the firearm, its predominant advantage is for military and tactical purposes. A folding or

telescoping stock is therefore not found on the traditional sporting shotgun. "

 

There is no mention of a folding or telescoping stock being useful for self defense in close quarters, such as encountered when defending one's home. This is the danger of falling into the "sporting" purpose only definition games.

They are enforcing importation laws exactly to the specs of what the anti-gunners are aiming for. The BATF dictates what is "sporting" or not regarding imported guns. This could easily be abused so that eventually we wind up only being able to import single shot rifles and shotguns. That is exactly the path they are on. I wouldn't be surprised if they ban any SA guns from importation in the next 5 years.

 

Once the BATF has gone through years of internal deliberation and guidelines on what is considered sporting, the anti-gunners will push for it to be used internally with US made guns. Don't be fooled, this is their long term plan. How easy would it be for the anti-gunner's to push for legislation equivalent to the BATF's rulings on gun importation as defined by their "sporting" purpose guidelines honed over the past XX years.

 

Here is an example from the document:

 

 

 

There is no mention of a folding or telescoping stock being useful for self defense in close quarters, such as encountered when defending one's home. This is the danger of falling into the "sporting" purpose only definition games.

 

or storage, or so it fits in your car better.

or storage, or so it fits in your car better.

 

 

or even more simply.. to fit more than one shooter or shooting stance..

i like how the saiga pic is converted. i dont think they import them with all of those "non-sporting" features as is, do they?

The only loophole that can be found in this study is to formally recognize 3 gunning as a sport. It won't fall under the traditional category but it is a sport nonetheless.

 

Right now there are a bunch of saiga 12 owners trying to get a writing campaign in to let their congresscritters know that they use their s12 for clay shooting and hunting. I'll send an email but I have very little confidence that anyone in DC that represents NJ would listen.

 

Yeah, they seem to have the Saiga in their sights.

What "evil features" do the saigas have stock though? Seems most are added here. Wouldnt they, in their current imported form work just as easy as the saiga rifles?

Bringing this thread up top for a quick question: I just got a Saiga-12 (just because) and it has a threaded-on barrel protector, not a supressor of any sort. I thought threaded barrels were a no-no in this wonderful state of ours. Is this ok or a problem?

this is a saiga shotgun. Not an assault rifle.

The threads are for chokes, which 99% of the shotguns in the state probably have at the end of their barrels also.

Ok, neither of my Remmingtons have threads on the ends of any of their barrels.

The threads are for chokes, which 99% of the shotguns in the state probably have at the end of their barrels also.

Choke threads are on the inside of a shotgun barrel. If it came with a thread-protector, I'm thinking those threads are meant for a muzzle brake/hider.

Choke threads are on the inside of a shotgun barrel. If it came with a thread-protector, I'm thinking those threads are meant for a muzzle brake/hider.

 

Poly chokes are screwed onto barrels that are threaded on the outside.

Poly chokes are screwed onto barrels that are threaded on the outside.

The original poly choke, yes. The poly choke II is meant for barrels with removable chokes and attaches to the inside threads. I was responding to the comment about the majority of shotgun barrels being threaded. I don't know of any factory shotguns with removable chokes that are threaded on the outside. Doesn't mean they don't exist, I've just never seen them.

I would say that my Remmingtons (870 and 1100) don't have threaded barrels simply because they make different types of barrels. Each of my guns have two different barrels. I have seen Over-Unders that have chokes that screw-in and the threads are on the inside of their barrels. Those guys don't have to swap barrels to go from Trap to Skeet shooting.

 

Anyway, thanks for clearing-up the question regarding the Saiga. Just didn't want to get in any trouble, we all know how this state is.

I would say that my Remmingtons (870 and 1100) don't have threaded barrels simply because they make different types of barrels. Each of my guns have two different barrels. I have seen Over-Unders that have chokes that screw-in and the threads are on the inside of their barrels. Those guys don't have to swap barrels to go from Trap to Skeet shooting.

 

Anyway, thanks for clearing-up the question regarding the Saiga. Just didn't want to get in any trouble, we all know how this state is.

 

 

just to be more clear..

 

C. a semi-automatic shotgun that has at least 2 of the following:

 

1. a folding or telescoping stock;

2. a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon;

3. a fixed magazine capacity in excess of 5 rounds; and

4. an ability to accept a detachable magazine.

 

 

see.. you are good to go..

I didn't specify if the shotguns were threaded on the inside or outside, just that they were threaded.

saiga chokes do thread on from the outside...RAAC carries them

I read this on Henderson Defense site :

 

We apologize for the price increase but our distributors have raised our prices! The "study" that we recently release from ATF appears to be aimed at the Saiga shotgun importation. That being said, distributors are NOT lowering our prices at this time. More details...

 

Translation: "We think these guns may be harder to get, therefore we are going to take advantage of the situation and perceived rarity and raise our prices. Our distributors have not raised their prices, but we see that we can make some money off of people's fears, so we're going to be jerks and screw you, the consumer."

i just paid 625 for mine...i can gladly give the place i got out