Just found the 2010 New Jersey State Police "Gangs in NJ Report" which is truly fascinating.

 

NJSP Gangs report

 

A lot more gangs than I thought, with a lot more members, in a lot more towns. Fascinating reading.

How are they getting these numbers? Do gang members actually fill out the surveys!!!??

but yet they continue to wonder why we would ever want to walk around armed..

How are they getting these numbers? Do gang members actually fill out the surveys!!!??

 

If you read the document, you'll see that they send questionnaires to all the police depts across the state, and they write a lot about the accuracy of the data and issues with the data.

The only city that did not participate was Elizabeth. Surprise surprise. I wonder why. lol.

This is pretty interesting. Added I was just browsing through Netflix, and watched the episode of Gangland of SMM (filmed in Trenton)... well, I'm glad I took the time to do some cleaning.

 

Regarding the report though, I found it surprising that my town had gang activity. There is a portion of the town that caters to low income households (right across a street actually from my neighborhood) that has had reports of criminal activity (car break-ins, burglary; mostly property crimes). Though with that said, my town has always been a quiet, idyllic one (where the most trouble was a DUI really). Sad to see this is becoming an issue.

The thing is though... just what defines a gang. As per the report, most are under 6 members per town... so does that mean we are a gang? lol.

The thing is though... just what defines a gang. As per the report, most are under 6 members per town... so does that mean we are a gang? lol.

 

If we are a gang, we are probably the best armed and best shots .

The conclusions the study reaches are exceedingly positive and I find this extremely hard to believe. These gangs are not fraternities, getting together every night and drinking too much and just having fun. Perhaps it's just what I see on COPS and as Hollywood portrays it but I don't believe that these gangs exhibit these characteristics:

 

"While gangs are renowned for their criminal activity, majorities were not reported to be

involved in violent crimes (54%), theft crimes (62%), drug crimes (51%), or other crimes

(70%)."

Great, problem identified. Now I'd like to see the solution document. Oh wait, there isn't one.....

The conclusions the study reaches are exceedingly positive and I find this extremely hard to believe. These gangs are not fraternities, getting together every night and drinking too much and just having fun. Perhaps it's just what I see on COPS and as Hollywood portrays it but I don't believe that these gangs exhibit these characteristics:

 

"While gangs are renowned for their criminal activity, majorities were not reported to be

involved in violent crimes (54%), theft crimes (62%), drug crimes (51%), or other crimes

(70%)."

 

Well, if they're not involved in crime, they are not a gang. They are just a bunch of friends with a fancy group name.

The thing is though... just what defines a gang. As per the report, most are under 6 members per town... so does that mean we are a gang? lol.

 

we would need a "color" and a special "sign" so we could show each other we were part of the "gang" when in public.. lol

The thing is though... just what defines a gang. As per the report, most are under 6 members per town... so does that mean we are a gang? lol.

 

 

My question exactly Maks. By definition you are a "Gang Leader". Armed gang leader at that!!!

 

I know I'm going to get beat up for this. But crime is crime and forget the gang issue. This gang investigation stuff is just another way to propagate more Law Enforcement jobs

and grow government.

Camo is a color. Our hand sign could be the peace sign.

I don't want to read it. It will just sicken me. We have enough of that crap surrounding my area.

 

Does sound like a good reason for more gun control

Camo is a color. Our hand sign could be the peace sign.

 

or... finger gun, vertical of course.

Camo is a color. Our hand sign could be the peace sign.

 

 

Sorry Wolfy...No "peace sign" here.

 

Parabellum

If we are a gang, we are probably the best armed and best shots .

 

I actually watched a tv show not that long ago about gangs and the military. It stated that it's very popular amongs gangs to send their members to the army or another branch for training and escape jail time. The military refused to address the issue. But they actually showed soldiers and marines that were openly throwing gang signs and were proud of their affiliations. they showed how one gang member / marine after getting sky high called the cops and ambushed them with a sks with extended mag.

I actually watched a tv show not that long ago about gangs and the military. It stated that it's very popular amongs gangs to send their members to the army or another branch for training and escape jail time. The military refused to address the issue. But they actually showed soldiers and marines that were openly throwing gang signs and were proud of their affiliations. they showed how one gang member / marine after getting sky high called the cops and ambushed them with a sks with extended mag.

We had 2 Bloods in my Infantry School. They would sneak out after liberty was secured each night and go up to LA, and be back in the am. All I remember is after about 3 weeks, they stopped coming back.

 

Go to San Diego Naval Station and see how many gangs are on Carriers. Not sure about today, but 20 yrs ago there was a bunch.

we would need a "color" gun metal blueand a special "sign" duel finger gunsso we could show each other we were part of the "gang" NJ762'swhen in public.. lol

Let's see if I did this correctly, if so I could be a tagger....

WooHoo!

Edited February 5, 201115 yr by MedicYeti

Gangs and gang members in the military is definitely a large problem, even today with the more stringent recruiting standards. I'm actually pretty sure one of my DS back in Basic was either affiliated or formerly affiliated from the tattoos I could see.

The way I see it though, the problem is as bad or worse in other parts of the world. Mexico, tribal parts of Southwest Asia, and Southeast Asia to name a few (in which they take their training far beyond to more organized and insidious levels).

Greenwich township (gloucester county) 85 members? I know there are biker gangs rolling around but I think 85 members has to be off

Couple of things.. #1. ANY provable gang Affiliation will get your general Discharged from the Military, they take a CLOSE look at Tattoos, and pay attention during the Background Investigation now. If you arent SQUEAKY clean, you dont get in.

 

#2. The wording on the report is screwed up somewhat...and it gives some incorect impressions, which comes from the reporting methods. YES, there are some towns with we'll say 6 confirmed gang members.. but the same town has that "gang" listed as not being involved in Criminal Activities. It's simple. A LOT of gang members live by the "You dont crap where you eat" philosophy. OMC members are a pretty good example of this. You may have 6 Pagans, or Bandidos living in your town. The Local PD KNOWS who they are..however none of them has EVER committed a crime in the town that can be LINKED to their Affiliated Gang. Or MS-13 Members..Or Latin Kings.. about the only time you dont see this is with Bloods and Crips and their assorted Sets..They dont seem to have any compunction about committing gang-related crimes wherever they are.