http://dailycaller.com/2011/02/05/agent-who-protects-nancy-reagan-shoots-self-in-hip/

Does she really still need protection?

Does she really still need protection?

 

Yes. If for nothing else than in honor or Reagan's service. There are always threats to former leaders, even the contemptible Carter deserves it.

Nobody's perfect, we all make mistakes.

So, what are the chances that the gun was a glock? Of course it could've been any other gun, but plaxico as well as the DEA guy both reportedly had Glocks. There's something about a 5.5lb trigger with that "trigger safety" design that scares me.

So, what are the chances that the gun was a glock? Of course it could've been any other gun, but plaxico as well as the DEA guy both reportedly had Glocks. There's something about a 5.5lb trigger with that "trigger safety" design that scares me.

 

if you KEEP your finger out of the trigger guard, this wouldn't have happened! Don't relay on manual safeties, use the safety between your eyes.

if you KEEP your finger out of the trigger guard, this wouldn't have happened! Don't relay on manual safeties, use the safety between your eyes.

 

egg-zactly--

if you KEEP your finger out of the trigger guard, this wouldn't have happened! Don't relay on manual safeties, use the safety between your eyes.

 

 

Don't be too sure. This type of discharge (call it accidental or negligent) often occurs with holsters that have a retention thumb snap. When reholstering the strap gets caught in the trigger guard in front of the trigger. As the gun is pushed into the holster, the strap forces the trigger to the rear (while conveniently disengaging the trigger safety), firing the gun through the holster into the hip or anything else in close proximity. He should thank his lucky stars that he wasn't carrying appendix.

 

Adios,

 

Pizza Bob

Does she really still need protection?

 

Yes!!!!!!!

So, what are the chances that the gun was a glock? Of course it could've been any other gun, but plaxico as well as the DEA guy both reportedly had Glocks. There's something about a 5.5lb trigger with that "trigger safety" design that scares me.

 

I believe the State Department and Secret Service carry Sigs. If you can't remember to keep your finger out of the trigger guard, maybe airsoft is your game.

Don't be too sure. This type of discharge (call it accidental or negligent) often occurs with holsters that have a retention thumb snap. When reholstering the strap gets caught in the trigger guard in front of the trigger. As the gun is pushed into the holster, the strap forces the trigger to the rear (while conveniently disengaging the trigger safety), firing the gun through the holster into the hip or anything else in close proximity. He should thank his lucky stars that he wasn't carrying appendix.

 

Adios,

 

Pizza Bob

 

 

With all due respect "Oh Pizza One". I think your senario is unlikely and the accident is more related to sloppy firearms handling.

Eh it happens... and yes, protection for life comes with the position.

With all due respect "Oh Pizza One". I think your senario is unlikely and the accident is more related to sloppy firearms handling.

 

To take Matty's words, "egg-zactly"!

Eh it happens... and yes, protection for life comes with the position.

 

 

I believe they changed it. I think Clinton is the last president that will get lifetime protection. I read recently that it's been changed.

With all due respect "Oh Pizza One". I think your senario is unlikely and the accident is more related to sloppy firearms handling.

 

 

 

Glock Holster Safety Recall

http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/prerel/prhtml05/05175.html

 

CPSC, Michaels of Oregon Announce Recall of Handgun

Holsters

Released: May 17, 2005

 

WASHINGTON, D.C. - The U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission announces the following recall in voluntary cooperation with the firm below. Consumers should stop using recalled products immediately unless otherwise instructed.

Name of Product: Kydex Belt

Holsters

for Glock model handguns

Units: About 8,000

Manufacturer: Michaels of Oregon, of Oregon City, Ore.

Hazard: The

holster

’s retention strap can move out of position and could cause a handgun to unexpectedly discharge while being re-holstered, posing a serious injury risk to consumers.

Incidents/Injuries: The firm has received three reports of unexpected discharges. In one incident, a law enforcement officer was shot in the leg while re-holstering his firearm.

Description: The recall includes Kydex Belt and Tactical

Holsters

with thumb break fits for Glock model handguns. The

holsters

are rigid and are made of black Kydex and come with tension screws for a proper fit. The words, “Uncle Mike’s by Michaels of Oregon” are printed on the back of the

holster

. The recall involves sizes 12, 21, and 25, which is printed on the inside of the

holster

between the two screws securing the

holster

to the belt slide.

Sold through: Uncle Mike’s and Uncle Mike’s Law Enforcement catalogs and at sporting goods stores and gun supply stores nationwide from January 2002 through October 2002 for between $25 and $50.

Manufactured in: United States

Remedy: Consumers who have purchased a Kydex

Holster

with a Thumb break for a Glock Handgun should stop using it immediately and contact Michaels of Oregon for a replacement retention strap free of charge.

Consumer Contact: Call Michaels of Oregon at (800) 471-4999 between 7:30 a.m. and 4:30 p.m. PT Monday through Friday, or visit their Web site at

www.michaeloforegon.com

 

Don't mess with the Pizza One.

 

Adios,

 

Pizza Bob

I believe they changed it. I think Clinton is the last president that will get lifetime protection. I read recently that it's been changed.

Would you happen to remember what it has been changed to?

Would you happen to remember what it has been changed to?

10 years after leaving office. Straight from the secret service website:

 

How long do former presidents receive Secret Service protection after they leave office?

 

 

In 1965, Congress authorized the Secret Service (Public Law 89-186) to protect a former president and his/her spouse during their lifetime, unless they decline protection. In 1997, Congress enacted legislation (Public Law 103-329) that limits Secret Service protection for former presidents to 10 years after leaving office. Under this new law, individuals who are in office before January 1, 1997, will continue to receive Secret Service protection for their lifetime. Individuals elected to office after that time will receive protection for 10 years after leaving office. Therefore, President Clinton will be the last president to receive lifetime protection.

 

Yeah I was gonna say 10 or 20 years after office. I can't remember which one exactly.

With the amount of execute protection companies out there, probably be best to save the tax payers some money

Doesnt anybody remember the movie GUARDING TESS with Nicolas Cage !!!

Glock Holster Safety Recall

http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/prerel/prhtml05/05175.html

 

CPSC, Michaels of Oregon Announce Recall of Handgun

Holsters

Released: May 17, 2005

 

WASHINGTON, D.C. - The U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission announces the following recall in voluntary cooperation with the firm below. Consumers should stop using recalled products immediately unless otherwise instructed.

Name of Product: Kydex Belt

Holsters

for Glock model handguns

Units: About 8,000

Manufacturer: Michaels of Oregon, of Oregon City, Ore.

Hazard: The

holster

’s retention strap can move out of position and could cause a handgun to unexpectedly discharge while being re-holstered, posing a serious injury risk to consumers.

Incidents/Injuries: The firm has received three reports of unexpected discharges. In one incident, a law enforcement officer was shot in the leg while re-holstering his firearm.

Description: The recall includes Kydex Belt and Tactical

Holsters

with thumb break fits for Glock model handguns. The

holsters

are rigid and are made of black Kydex and come with tension screws for a proper fit. The words, “Uncle Mike’s by Michaels of Oregon” are printed on the back of the

holster

. The recall involves sizes 12, 21, and 25, which is printed on the inside of the

holster

between the two screws securing the

holster

to the belt slide.

Sold through: Uncle Mike’s and Uncle Mike’s Law Enforcement catalogs and at sporting goods stores and gun supply stores nationwide from January 2002 through October 2002 for between $25 and $50.

Manufactured in: United States

Remedy: Consumers who have purchased a Kydex

Holster

with a Thumb break for a Glock Handgun should stop using it immediately and contact Michaels of Oregon for a replacement retention strap free of charge.

Consumer Contact: Call Michaels of Oregon at (800) 471-4999 between 7:30 a.m. and 4:30 p.m. PT Monday through Friday, or visit their Web site at

www.michaeloforegon.com

 

Don't mess with the Pizza One.

 

Adios,

 

Pizza Bob

 

Good documentation Bob! But, it's always easy to blame the inanimate object. But the boy must have been sloppy. Insite from you requied sir...Secret Sevice is carrying Sigs aren't they? You know with a safety?

 

Yep, Sig P229 357 Sig

Edited February 7, 201115 yr by Old School

Good documentation Bob! But, it's always easy to blame the inanimate object. But the boy must have been sloppy. Insite from you requied sir...Secret Sevice is carrying Sigs aren't they? You know with a safety?

 

Yep, Sig P229 357 Sig

 

 

In a perfect world accidents would never happen. Thats not the case though. Nascar drivers prob put a lot more hours in behind the wheel than any professional will with his weapon yet they crash all the time. That being said you can never be too careful. But this is real life, accidents do happen.

Old School vs. Pizza Bob

 

I thank Frank is winning, waiting for Bob's response

 

Good documentation Bob! But, it's always easy to blame the inanimate object. But the boy must have been sloppy. Insite from you requied sir...Secret Sevice is carrying Sigs aren't they? You know with a safety?

 

Yep, Sig P229 357 Sig

 

 

Sigs do not have an external safety and can be prone to the same type of discharge - although with a 10# - 11# DA initial pull it would be a lot tougher than with a Glock. I've heard of this same type of discharge occuring when a shirt tail or draw string (from the bottom of a jacket) gets lodged within the trigger guard. I wasn't trying to demean your glorious Glock, or exonerate the actor in this case - just pointing out that everyone seemed to want to rush to judgement without any consideration that there may be more to the incident..

 

Adios,

 

Pizza Bob

I think I have to support Bob in this situation. He does not seem to be trying to condemn any opinion, just try to offer different scenarios for us to consider. None of us were there, none of us know what happened.

Sigs do not have an external safety and can be prone to the same type of discharge - although with a 10# - 11# DA initial pull it would be a lot tougher than with a Glock. I've heard of this same type of discharge occuring when a shirt tail or draw string (from the bottom of a jacket) gets lodged within the trigger guard. I wasn't trying to demean your glorious Glock, or exonerate the actor in this case - just pointing out that everyone seemed to want to rush to judgement without any consideration that they may be more to the incident..

 

Adios,

 

Pizza Bob

 

Probably boils down to "**** Happens"!

 

Ray Ray you **** stirring little welp!!!

 

Uncle Bob, Let's get some range time once the weather breaks, I'll travel, and let's do PA.

 

Ciao,

 

Uncle Frank

Probably boils down to "**** Happens"!

 

Ray Ray you **** stirring little welp!!!

 

Uncle Bob, Let's get some range time once the weather breaks, I'll travel, and let's do PA.

 

Ciao,

 

Uncle Frank

 

Works for me - I've got several rifles that need to be sighted-in.

Glock Holster Safety Recall

http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/prerel/prhtml05/05175.html

 

CPSC, Michaels of Oregon Announce Recall of Handgun

Holsters

Released: May 17, 2005

 

WASHINGTON, D.C. - The U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission announces the following recall in voluntary cooperation with the firm below. Consumers should stop using recalled products immediately unless otherwise instructed.

Name of Product: Kydex Belt

Holsters

for Glock model handguns

Units: About 8,000

Manufacturer: Michaels of Oregon, of Oregon City, Ore.

Hazard: The

holster

’s retention strap can move out of position and could cause a handgun to unexpectedly discharge while being re-holstered, posing a serious injury risk to consumers.

Incidents/Injuries: The firm has received three reports of unexpected discharges. In one incident, a law enforcement officer was shot in the leg while re-holstering his firearm.

Description: The recall includes Kydex Belt and Tactical

Holsters

with thumb break fits for Glock model handguns. The

holsters

are rigid and are made of black Kydex and come with tension screws for a proper fit. The words, “Uncle Mike’s by Michaels of Oregon” are printed on the back of the

holster

. The recall involves sizes 12, 21, and 25, which is printed on the inside of the

holster

between the two screws securing the

holster

to the belt slide.

Sold through: Uncle Mike’s and Uncle Mike’s Law Enforcement catalogs and at sporting goods stores and gun supply stores nationwide from January 2002 through October 2002 for between $25 and $50.

Manufactured in: United States

Remedy: Consumers who have purchased a Kydex

Holster

with a Thumb break for a Glock Handgun should stop using it immediately and contact Michaels of Oregon for a replacement retention strap free of charge.

Consumer Contact: Call Michaels of Oregon at (800) 471-4999 between 7:30 a.m. and 4:30 p.m. PT Monday through Friday, or visit their Web site at

www.michaeloforegon.com

 

Don't mess with the Pizza One.

 

Adios,

 

Pizza Bob

 

There have also been several documented cases where clothing inruded into the trigger guard, and when the firearm was pressd into the holster, the trigger was depressed firing the weapon. It's also been documented that those Wait cinches with the plastic dinguses can do the same thing. I know of several training schools that require students to remove those types of strings from clothing before stepping foot on the range. And before the usua; BS starts this has been documented by sources OTHER than just LE trainers

If it's got tits or a trigger, it'll give you problems.