Liberals have successfully changed their names to progressives, I think a change in the name of semi-automatic weapons will stop the general public from thinking they are machine guns. (their are too many people that have this point of view to count) Nothing with the name automatic, maybe "single trigger, single shots" I think the word single will help.

 

Has anyone ever tried that.

I think they were originally called *self loaders*. I recall a few ads that used this back in the day.

 

Could try using that term again.

I have and do! I actually call them homeland defence rifles.

Talk about surrender. Jeeze.

 

Rename them Property of US Government.

Its a war of perception Mipa. If its lost, it wont be just NJ!

Its a war of perception Mipa. If its lost, it wont be just NJ!

 

Seems the war is going the other way everywhere else.

 

But, I do see your point - As goes New Jersey, so goes...

 

Nobody else.

Talk about surrender. Jeeze.

 

Rename them Property of US Government.

Very good point. Seems like quitting to me, why should be change because people are ignorant?

Very good point. Seems like quitting to me, why should be we change because people are ignorant?

 

Because perception is reality.

Because perception is reality.

I disagree. Facts are reality, perception is perceived to be reality. Don't get me wrong, I hate it that everything is coming to this, and changing the name may help.....but it doesn't effect the core problem. You can call it whatever you want, but until people are educated on "evil" rifles, you can call them gummy bears and people will still want them banned.

an attempt to globally rename weapons to more politically correct names would IMO likely backfire.. the anti-gun crowd would exploit the change as an attempt to trick the average citizen.. IMO of course..

I disagree. Facts are reality, perception is perceived to be reality. Don't get me wrong, I hate it that everything is coming to this, and changing the name may help.....but it doesn't effect the core problem. You can call it whatever you want, but until people are educated on "evil" rifles, you can call them gummy bears and people will still want them banned.

 

 

+1 gummy bears are nasty..

I vote we change the name and also embrace the growing hispanic population in the country in a single ack.... we call them "Uno Bangies"..

I disagree. Facts are reality, perception is perceived to be reality. Don't get me wrong, I hate it that everything is coming to this, and changing the name may help.....but it doesn't effect the core problem. You can call it whatever you want, but until people are educated on "evil" rifles, you can call them gummy bears and people will still want them banned.

 

 

Right. Late Term Abortion. Assault Rifle. Man Caused Disasters. High Capacity Magazines. Vast Right Wing Conspiracy. Pro-Gun Forces of Darkness. (lemme look in my Bryan Miller book for more...)

 

Shall I go on?

 

Unfortunately, perception is the problem and no one is shining the light of truth. Reality is not the problem.

The anti's will still call them SA, and dismiss the name change as "subversive tactics by the big bullet blasting box fanatics, shoulder thing that goes down group"

The anti's will still call them SA, and dismiss the name change as "subversive tactics by the big bullet blasting box fanatics, shoulder thing that goes down group"

 

Actually they'll call 'em "Automatics" and "Devices of Death"....

Well, if you read about the Violence Policy Center, the most extreme of the gun grabbers, they rename everything all the time.

 

Even your basic hunting rifle, with a simple range of 100yards, they renamed *intermediate sniper rifles*.

 

Any gun they don't like, which is all of them, is considered an assault rifle. And they get pissed when people use the term *modern sporting rifle*, which of course, is the correct term.

 

You want change? Simple. Stop using the term *Assault Weapon*. *Real* assault weapons are not available to civilians, anti's know it, but constantly using the assault weapon term generates fear, paranoia, and bed wetting. Three things the anti's need to further their crusade.

 

 

The ATF isn't helping. They define "Semiautomatic Assault Weapon" in 27 C.F.R. § 478.11 . I think this is how they "regulate" gun imports by banning any with "evil features", and is why Saiga's and others have to come into the country the way they are. They are just dying to turn their arbitrary regulations internally using the similar commerce regulations as the vehicle. Their big hurdle would be that they cannot legally regulate intra-state manufactured and purchased firearms, as the Constitution has no such provisions to allow the Federal Govt to do that. Would cause a big mess and controversy. In fact, I'm not sure how they enforced the 94' AWB, they must have used the commerce play as well, and is maybe why some states are passing state laws backing up their Constitutional rights as to not acknowledge Federal gun regulations on intra-state made and purchased guns.

 

For an example on how the Fedgeral govt can regulate / ban items, take a look at the Drug Enforcement Act as an example. The beginning verbiage is all about how the Federal Govt is allowed to enforce it due to not being able to tell whether or not illegal drugs have not traversed interstate, thus they assume they have been. Read the -Statute- section in the beginning .. DRUG ABUSE PREVENTION AND CONTROL

 

 

27 C.F.R. § 478.11 Meaning of terms.

 

Semiautomatic assault weapon. (a) Any of the firearms, or copies or duplicates of the firearms in any caliber, known as:

 

(1) Norinco, Mitchell, and Poly Technologies Avtomat Kalashnikovs (all models),

 

(2) Action Arms Israeli Military Industries UZI and Galil,

 

(3) Beretta Ar70 (SC–70),

 

(4) Colt AR–15,

 

(5) Fabrique National FN/FAL, FN/LAR, and FNC,

 

(6) SWD M–10, M–11, M–11/9, and M–12,

 

(7) Steyr AUG,

 

(8) INTRATEC TEC–9, TEC-DC9 and TEC-22, and

 

(9) Revolving cylinder shotguns, such as (or similar to) the Street Sweeper and Striker 12;

 

(B) A semiautomatic rifle that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least 2 of—

 

(1) A folding or telescoping stock,

 

(2) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon,

 

(3) A bayonet mount,

 

(4) A flash suppressor or threaded barrel designed to accommodate a flash suppressor, and

 

(5) A grenade launcher;

 

© A semiautomatic pistol that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least 2 of—

 

(1) An ammunition magazine that attaches to the pistol outside of the pistol grip,

 

(2) A threaded barrel capable of accepting a barrel extender, flash suppressor, forward handgrip, or silencer,

 

(3) A shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel and that permits the shooter to hold the firearm with the nontrigger hand without being burned,

 

(4) A manufactured weight of 50 ounces or more when the pistol is unloaded, and

 

(5) A semiautomatic version of an automatic firearm; and

 

(d) A semiautomatic shotgun that has at least 2 of—

 

(1) A folding or telescoping stock,

 

(2) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon,

 

(3) A fixed magazine capacity in excess of 5 rounds, and

 

(4) An ability to accept a detachable magazine.

 

Unfortunately, perception is the problem and no one is shining the light of truth. Reality is not the problem.

Which in my opinion, means that we should shine light on the truth, not try to change the perception. I would rather have more people support gun rights because they understand things, not because they perceive something less dangerous. I don't want people supporting gun rights because they're okay with "the shoulder thing that goes up".

Which in my opinion, means that we should shine light on the truth, not try to change the perception. I would rather have more people support gun rights because they understand things, not because they perceive something less dangerous. I don't want people supporting gun rights because they're okay with "the shoulder thing that goes up".

 

I think we're coming at the same outcome via different paths. I agree that people should not be swayed by "idiot speak". Sometimes, shining the light of truth comes in the form of changing the name to something obvious (auto loader comes to mind), other times it comes via education.

 

I don't know how many of you were familiar with firearms since youth - I was not. It took me months to be comfortable and overcome the lack of firearms education. We've got guys on this forum that are half my age and have 10 times as many years of firearms experience as I do. I would LOVE to change that. I really don't understand why we are teaching children to apply condoms to bananas but not teaching "Eddie Eagle".

Lol at "condoms on bananas".

I call 'em "my little frens"....as in "say hello to my little frens"....

You want change? Simple. Stop using the term *Assault Weapon*. *Real* assault weapons are not available to civilians...

 

Really? You sure about that?

1st we should only use the term assualt weapon to apply to full automatic weapons. I am sure the Brady bunch thought the use of that phrase was a coup for them.

 

2nd. Use Auto-loader. We may not want to give in but the uneducated vote. My own sister in law was this ignorant and had to be educated but most people wont spend the time to listen.

Really? You sure about that?

 

Yes - we are sure. What goes on beyond the great borders of this state so far has had little to no effect on this state or its 8.8 million citizens.