I have an extended mil-spec carbine tube from Stag Arms and a Magpul MOE stock. The tube has a screw hole in it that is too small and a little too forward for the MOE to lock into.

 

I would like to drill a hole into the stock that would allow the Magpul Stock to simply slide in and lock in. This way I can have an NJ legal stock without needing to pin or do anything.

 

Does someone have a drill press and want to help me out? I'll throw in a box of ammo... or a six-pack of beer.

 

I live in the Morristown area and am looking for something local.

My recomendation would be to still pin it. Let me put it this way. I actually designed a part to make the Scar stock non collapsable by turning a solid bar on my lathe. Well my partner pointed out that if it comes under question, they look for the pin. If they dont find one.... well it could turn ugly. So as much as I like to think logic would previal, the current climate says otherwise.

My recomendation would be to still pin it. Let me put it this way. I actually designed a part to make the Scar stock non collapsable by turning a solid bar on my lathe. Well my partner pointed out that if it comes under question, they look for the pin. If they dont find one.... well it could turn ugly. So as much as I like to think logic would previal, the current climate says otherwise.

 

I am not worried about that. There is no way this stock can collapse when attached because there would only be one hole.

 

Are you nearby? Can you help?

DevsAdvocate

 

I will pm you my cell !

 

I will help you out, this week end and no need for ammo or beer

DevsAdvocate

 

I will pm you my cell !

 

I will help you out, this week end and no need for ammo or beer

 

 

If for some reason you can't get together with Ted give me a yell!!

A buddy of mine has a drill press at his house... I'm meeting up with him at the bullethole and then going to his place after.

DA, it not being collapsable is not the issue. If it is easily reversable, thats an issue. Blind pin or weld is generaly accpeted as permanant. A modification that may make it not collapse but can be returned to original state because of a lack of permanant modification is an issue. I KNOW what your going to say next, "I can just replace the entire stock", I know, but its meeting the context of the law that is the issue.

DA, it not being collapsable is not the issue. If it is easily reversable, thats an issue. Blind pin or weld is generaly accpeted as permanant. A modification that may make it not collapse but can be returned to original state because of a lack of permanant modification is an issue. I KNOW what your going to say next, "I can just replace the entire stock", I know, but its meeting the context of the law that is the issue.

 

Easily reversible into what? The tube is not a carbine length, it's some sort of A2 length tube. It doesn't have adjustment holes, or even an adjustment channel. Once the stock is on, it's a fixed stock. You can't adjust it at all, and there is nothing else you can really add onto it. You can remove it... but then you still have a full length tube.

 

I think there is just a bit of a miscommunication here...

Yeah perhaps Im not tracking... Is the tube in the pic the one your using?

he is saying..

he has a buffer tube that has NO holes in it that will allow the magpul stock to lock into...

he is saying if he makes ONE single hole that the stock can lock into then in his opinion he is legal because the stock can no longer collapse and lock into the collapsed position..

 

the issue that he has is that even though the stock will not lock collapsed on the buffer tube it will still slide..

the fact that the stock can slide forward and back IMO makes it a telescoping stock by the simplest definition of the term..

I agree that logic says there is only one position where the gun can be shot from (the ONE hole he drills)

but I think that logic does not satisfy the law.. as long as that thing can slide forward and back on the buffer tube.. it is adjustable.. so you will IMO still need to make it more permanent..

 

as far as all this permanent thing goes.. I do not remember reading that in the literal law.. it says "folding or telescoping stock" it doesn't say a blind pin has to be used... it doesn't say it has to be something irreversible..

 

does the stock fold or telescope? this in the context of the law seems to imply that the weapon is judged in its present state..

yes - evil feature

no - not evil feature

 

if there is something in the law that states it must be permanent then by all means.. my apologies.. but pretty sure it does not..

There is no law or opinion from the NJSP or the AG that says that the stock has to be permanent.

There is no law or opinion from the NJSP or the AG that says that the stock has to be permanent.

 

 

simple set screw it is for me then when i build my ar..