Hey everyone,

 

I'm in the market for a NJ compliant semi-auto rifle. I understand that there are AK variants available for sale in NJ. My question is, what do they sell out of the box? Can you legally purchase a WASR, MAK-90, etc that can accept high-cap magazines? Or are you only limited to the 10-rd single stack WASR, MAK-90's, etc?

I'm far from an expert, but to the best of my knowledge it is perfectly legal to purchase a variant that allows double stack mags. The problem you may run into are FFL's that are afraid/unwilling to do the transfer.

I'm far from an expert, but to the best of my knowledge it is perfectly legal to purchase a variant that allows double stack mags. The problem you may run into are FFL's that are afraid/unwilling to do the transfer.

 

 

I wasn't planning on ordering one out of state, what is most common "out of the box" in NJ without doing modifications, etc?

You can get an arsenal SLG 24 thats jersey legal. Its basically a Saiga converted for you. I bought an Arsenal SLG21 and the FFL pinned the muzzle break before i picked it up.

 

It accepts double stacked mags.

Nothing wrong with the mags as long as they hold 15 rounds or less.

You do actually have quite a few options. You can get yourself a Saiga and convert it yourself, an Arsenal SGL which is basically an already converted Saiga, or you can get yourself a Mak90, WASR, or Zastava PAP. I'm not sure about the Mak90, but the Saiga, Arsenal, and WASR take double stack mags, and the Zastava PAP takes single stack mags which are a little harder to come by, and only come in 10 round flavor.

Theirs many AK variants available to you !

 

What I would do 1st is see what your dealer is comfortable transferring to you, and see if the selling dealer is willing to sell to NJ.

 

And yes the Mac90 takes double stacker mags

You do actually have quite a few options. You can get yourself a Saiga and convert it yourself, an Arsenal SGL which is basically an already converted Saiga, or you can get yourself a Mak90, WASR, or Zastava PAP. I'm not sure about the Mak90, but the Saiga, Arsenal, and WASR take double stack mags, and the Zastava PAP takes single stack mags which are a little harder to come by, and only come in 10 round flavor.

 

 

Do you know where I can get a Zastava PAP?

Are you looking for one in wood or black plastic? Black plastic, PK90 (Paul) at Arms'N'Ammo had one in stock a couple weeks ago, PM him to see if he still has it. As far as I know, they stopped making the gun in wood....but I have one I'm actually considering selling. The black one has a nice tactical look to it, and the wood one has a beautiful fit and finish to it. Can't really go wrong with either if you are looking for a nice range gun.

keep in mind with a PAP you have non standard single stacks (cant borrow 30 rounders in PA or SHTF, and pricey) and the PAP takes non standard furniture (you are stuck with thumbhole stock unless you are a good wood worker)

saiga is answer.. saiga is always the answer.. imo of course..

saiga is answer.. saiga is always the answer.. imo of course..

 

 

but...but....but arent they...ILLEGALZ?!!?1!!!1!one!!111!!!!

It depends on what he is looking for. If he wants a nice looking gun that's fun to take to the range, he should buy my PAP

 

If he wants a SHTF gun then he should look at other options.

If you end up looking into the Zastava PAP, definitely go with the wood furniture model. My PAP had THE BEST looking wood furniture I have EVER seen on a factory AK. It almost looked like I stained it, it looked so nice. Once you see the stock wood, I highly doubt you will want to install new wood on it.

 

And to clear up any things with the PAP, it is a great AK and a great shooter nonetheless. The thumbhole stock adds some weight as it is a pretty big block of wood, but as long as you're not 90lbs you will be able to hold it fine. Mags are (what I consider, standard) single stackers that are also WASR mags. They are not pricey, I was buying them off gunbroker for $15 a mag. At least that's not pricey to me. Some people sell lots of them (lots of mags for a cheap price), I bought a lot of 5 for $50 as well. It was never a big deal for me to have a single stack AK and not be able to use other peoples 30rders, I could really care less.

 

If you're looking for a good shooter, check out the PAP.

If you're looking for a good shooter, check out the PAP.

Nice picture. I have some pictures of mine in the Marketplace section

Yeah I saw...looks pretty much identical except your wood looks a little lighter than mine. Why selling it? Pushing the AK aside for your AR?

Yea I noticed that the wood on your rifle looks darker too. I have a Saiga that I converted, which is lighter and more versatile than the PAP. The PAP is a beautiful gun, but I want to diversify my collection a bit.

If you end up looking into the Zastava PAP, definitely go with the wood furniture model. My PAP had THE BEST looking wood furniture I have EVER seen on a factory AK. It almost looked like I stained it, it looked so nice. Once you see the stock wood, I highly doubt you will want to install new wood on it.

 

And to clear up any things with the PAP, it is a great AK and a great shooter nonetheless. The thumbhole stock adds some weight as it is a pretty big block of wood, but as long as you're not 90lbs you will be able to hold it fine. Mags are (what I consider, standard) single stackers that are also WASR mags. They are not pricey, I was buying them off gunbroker for $15 a mag. At least that's not pricey to me. Some people sell lots of them (lots of mags for a cheap price), I bought a lot of 5 for $50 as well. It was never a big deal for me to have a single stack AK and not be able to use other peoples 30rders, I could really care less.

 

If you're looking for a good shooter, check out the PAP.

 

 

So the PAP accepts regular single stack WASR Mags? I don't really care about the capacity issue either...10 rounds is perfectly fine for general purpose shooting. I'm also not looking to convert anything, I don't have the time to fool around with that. Where did you get yours?

So the PAP accepts regular single stack WASR Mags? I don't really care about the capacity issue either...10 rounds is perfectly fine for general purpose shooting. I'm also not looking to convert anything, I don't have the time to fool around with that. Where did you get yours?

 

If you want PAP the gun is available in the marketplace here.. comes with magazines..

 

http://njgunforums.com/forum/index.php?/topic/22921-wts-zastava-pap/

So the PAP accepts regular single stack WASR Mags? I don't really care about the capacity issue either...10 rounds is perfectly fine for general purpose shooting. I'm also not looking to convert anything, I don't have the time to fool around with that. Where did you get yours?

 

For the most part, yes. VJF stated he had to modify his feed ramp, I am not sure if that was because of the mags or because of his rifle...seems like it was the mags.

 

I had 2 factory Zastava mags and a ton of WASR mags and they worked fine for me, no modifications at all. I was in the same position as you were, I wanted an AK but didn't want to deal with any modifications or anything...just wanted something fun to shoot that was reliable.

 

I got mine on Gunbroker. I just did a quick search now and a few people are selling them, but there aren't any wood models...just the synthetic black. The wood furniture models seem to be rare nowadays, I heard that not many were made.

For the most part, yes. VJF stated he had to modify his feed ramp, I am not sure if that was because of the mags or because of his rifle...seems like it was the mags.

To be honest, I didn't need to modify the feed ramp. The feed ramp is actually a problem that people generally run into with the PAP, so my dumbass just went ahead and did that without trouble shooting. Come to find out, the mags were the issue.