Found this article last night and all I could say was "WTF???".

 

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/could-your-shotgun-soon-be-outlawed/

 

Here's an exerpt from the article:

 

"What’s the definition of a “shotgun?” According to Dictionary.com it’s “a smoothbore gun for firing small shot to kill birds and small quadrupeds, though often used with buckshot to kill larger animals.” For the gun enthusiasts, that’s only partly true, as there is also the option of using slugs. But what if there’s another addition that will soon be added to the definition? How about, illegal.

 

In a series of fascinating, and eerie, posts over at the blog Beregond’s Bar (and linked on Redstate.com), author “Tom” pens a four-part series on the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms and their new campaign to change the definition of the term “shotgun.” A change, based on a recent study,* that could soon make some of them illegal. But as Tom points out, the implications for all guns are chilling.

 

Below are excerpts from the series. Click on the appropriate link to read more.

 

Part 1, which focuses on changing the term “sporting use” in order to ban certain shotguns:

 

The Obama administration is seeking once again to do via regulation what they would never be able to do via legislation. This time shotguns are in the crosshairs, specifically certain popular imported weapons.

 

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Sporting use is one of the three main thrusts of gun control efforts in America. The other two are racism and those who openly advocate complete bans except for military and police. (The complete ban advocates often hide under cover of sporting use, but that and the racist history of gun control are topics for another day..."

 

Click on the link above to read the rest of the article.

Well, it would make it illegal to import alot of the guns we have already but would not outlaw ownership of them. Kinda like the norinco thing. We cant import them but can freely own and trade them

Take a look at the price of a Saiga 12 on GunBroker.com. Eeek!

Well, it would make it illegal to import alot of the guns we have already but would not outlaw ownership of them. Kinda like the norinco thing. We cant import them but can freely own and trade them

 

Unless they choose the nuclear option and declare them destructive devices. In NJ, that would mean adios Saiga12. You'd have to sell to a buddy in a free state.

Unless they choose the nuclear option and declare them destructive devices. In NJ, that would mean adios Saiga12. You'd have to sell to a buddy in a free state.

 

From the article, it looked like a federal ban... so if that's true, then there were would be no "free states"... At least that was my understanding from the article.

From the article, it looked like a federal ban... so if that's true, then there were would be no "free states"... At least that was my understanding from the article.

 

The ban would be on importation, like the Norinco's from a decade ago. You could own one, but no more will be coming into the US. The other BATF option is declaring the shotgun a destructive device. This means a Federal tax stamp would be needed, like for short barreled shotguns and fully automatic guns. In a free state, you can file that paperwork. In New Jersey, you can't.

From the article, it looked like a federal ban... so if that's true, then there were would be no "free states"... At least that was my understanding from the article.

 

 

Well if lunkers right and they went to DDs then it would be just like the MG "ban" which allows all previously registered guns to be freely transfered as NFA items in NFA friendly states

The banning of one of the most common firearms in existence

i've been looking into this lately, this is what I came up with:

 

The federal laws can only regulate foreign and interstate commerce. Think Chinese ban, "sporting use" determined by the Attorney General for imports.

 

When it comes to the federal ability to "ban" certian types of guns, as in the former AWB, they have to use the interstate commerce clause to justify their authority. This is why some states are passing state laws in which prevent the federal government from being able to regulate firearms produced and kept within their own state borders. Theoretically, this is legal under constitutional powers.

 

Even the Federal illegal drug laws draw their basis of authority using the interstate commerce clause. It states that illegal drugs are to be considered to have crossed state boundaries at one point or another.... thus giving the fed the ability to regulate.

 

This is an example of them using their power to further gun-control without legislation getting in the way, the AG and BATF can at anytime simply ban the importation of all firearms, they have the authority to do so, and it would take an act of Congress to reverse it.

Saigas already here would not be Affected. the ONLY thing they could do is ban importation of new ones, basically declare them "Non Sporting Purpose". What that would do then is open the market for someone here like No-Dak or even Red Jacket to build them from the ground up here in the US and completely circumvent the 922R limitation that ATF could impose on the saigas. THAT SAID..it is also possible for NJ to declare a "Detachable Magazine Semi-Automatic Shotgun" as a "Destructive Device or prohibit them altogether, or require registration of those already here with a short grace period to register or dispose of them like they did in 1992 with the AWB.

Saigas already here would not be Affected. the ONLY thing they could do is ban importation of new ones, basically declare them "Non Sporting Purpose". What that would do then is open the market for someone here like No-Dak or even Red Jacket to build them from the ground up here in the US and completely circumvent the 922R limitation that ATF could impose on the saigas. THAT SAID..it is also possible for NJ to declare a "Detachable Magazine Semi-Automatic Shotgun" as a "Destructive Device or prohibit them altogether, or require registration of those already here with a short grace period to register or dispose of them like they did in 1992 with the AWB.

Like what PTR does with H & K clones now.

Like what PTR does with H & K clones now.

 

Exactly.... there'a Already an industry to provide 922R compliance parts for imported Saigas already, wouldnt be that heavy a lift to just build the whole thing. Lets be realistic, INCLUDING the rail welding it only takes a few minutes to make an AK lower..once you have the tooling set up. Hell, doing it by hand, it takes more time to take the damn thing off of the mandrel then it does to press it into shape, and hammer over the top edges.

Arsenal has a line of complete made-in-the-USA AK style guns now. Very pricey but they have them. Also Microtech did this with the STG-556 , a complete US made clone of the Steyr AUG as well. This is the only way to get around BATF "sporting use" importation regulations today for guns that do not have a "sporting" analogue that is able to be imported. They know the whole deal with Saiga's being converted to AK styles, and they want to put an end to it.

 

What is scary is that the same powers the BATF uses to declare imports "sporting" or not, could be turned towards interstate firearm commerce as well. They could deem gun models "non sporting" and instruct FFL's they cannot transfer them to civilians any longer. They haven't done it because it would bring a ton of heat and unwanted attention on them, and would basically force Congress's hand to pass regulations on the BATF's authority, and not to mention constitutionality of what they are doing.

 

The constitutional authority for import restrictions based on a vague “Sporting Purpose Test” is highly suspect in light of the recent Heller and McDonald Supreme Court decisions and the Court’s previous decision in Miller.

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