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How much is shipping?

 

Nvm... $14.54.

 

Any promos?

no promo's apply to products on sale aka price in red with midway

 

so that's what your going to pay no way around it

Got 1...

 

I tried to order 2 but it gave me an error.

Got 1...

 

I tried to order 2 but it gave me an error.

 

Prob because it's now sold out

Either way, not that great of a deal, $300 for 840 rounds, you can get 990 rounds of XM855 for that price. Is the Lake City stuff that much better then Federal AE or PMC?

Either way, not that great of a deal, $300 for 840 rounds, you can get 990 rounds of XM855 for that price. Is the Lake City stuff that much better then Federal AE or PMC?

 

 

Apples and Oranges.

 

Real NATO stuff.

its 5.56, not .223, so if youre looking for that, theres a difference. also lake city is USGI contract, so its probably top of the line. its not really that great of a deal, about on par with any other ammo place. sportsmansguide has it for the same price. 35-36 cents/round is about the cheapest youll find american made 223/556.

Apples and Oranges.

 

Real NATO stuff.

 

I don't see how that is much different. Just because it is NATO doesn't make it better, both the others are 5.56 as well, and the Federal AE uses NATO marked Lake City brass.....

 

So again, is the Lake City stuff that much better, and I guess I'll rephrase, is there much difference in quality besides one being "real NATO stuff"?

Real NATO stuff.

Real rejected NATO stuff.

 

What many people don't realize (or maybe don't care about) is that the "X" designation is given to that ammo because it does not meet military requirements for one reason or other, but is deemed acceptable for commercial sale.

 

Also, if you look around the interwebs, there are more than a couple instances where people have issues with popped primers on the XM193 rounds (don't recall seeing anything on XM855). But, it's the internet, so take it for what it's worth.

 

Just an FYI

Real rejected NATO stuff.

 

What many people don't realize (or maybe don't care about) is that the "X" designation is given to that ammo because it does not meet military requirements for one reason or other, but is deemed acceptable for commercial sale.

 

Also, if you look around the interwebs, there are more than a couple instances where people have issues with popped primers on the XM193 rounds (don't recall seeing anything on XM855). But, it's the internet, so take it for what it's worth.

 

Just an FYI

 

 

Caine- I understood Over Run not rejected. You could be right. We have dome DOD employees on here that deal with munitions that may be able to shed some light.

 

The main reason I keep some NATO ball around is it works well with Milspec sight calibrations.

 

BTW I have no interest in anybody buying or not.

 

Frank

Caine- I understood Over Run not rejected.

 

 

Military surplus ammo (over run) was banned from sale by the Clinton administration. Caine is correct in that these are rejects.

Military surplus ammo (over run) was banned from sale by the Clinton administration. Caine is correct in that these are rejects.

 

 

WOW Bob!! We can get the junk but not the good stuff?

 

Just doesn't seem right...

I would rather let our soldiers use the good stuff for punching holes in terrorists, and take the rejected stuff myself for punching holes in paper.

I would rather let our soldiers use the good stuff for punching holes in terrorists, and take the rejected stuff myself for punching holes in paper.

 

 

:thsmiley_deadhorse:

I'll ask my buddy in small cal here at picatinny to see what the story is.

I would rather let our soldiers use the good stuff for punching holes in terrorists, and take the rejected stuff myself for punching holes in zombies.

 

Fixed

 

This ammo is fine for it's intended purpose. Your gonna tell me that because the government says it's not up to par that you won't use it? It's probabably one bad round in a lot and the whole lot is considered a no-go.

Your gonna tell me that because the government says it's not up to par that you won't use it? It's probabably one bad round in a lot and the whole lot is considered a no-go.

I personally have no problem with the ammo at all, and would without a doubt use it. My point is.....I would rather get a dead round in my lot, then let our soldiers have that bad round. Their lives count on the ammo they use, mine doesn't. I guess Old School doesn't feel the same way...

I personally have no problem with the ammo at all, and would without a doubt use it. My point is.....I would rather get a dead round in my lot, then let our soldiers have that bad round. Their lives count on the ammo they use, mine doesn't. I guess Old School doesn't feel the same way...

 

 

Ya know Vinny you can really twist the truth, Get your **** together! My comment was that you were bringing a up totally irrelavant point.

 

If you knew me you would eat those words.

Ok, so here's the 'scoop' on Federal Ammunition XM855 or XM193 produced at Lake City...

 

Lake City is a Government-owned, Contractor-operated (GOCO) facility that specializes in the production of small caliber ammunition. The current production contract is being held by ATK Systems and their subsidiary: Federal Premium Ammunition.

 

Ammunition produced under the names 'XM193' and 'XM855' use military spec powders, casings, primers, and projectiles. They use the same dies, they use the same QC. The only difference is the Lot inspection criteria, and the certs from the sub contractors and ATK. Basically, the only real difference between LCAAP ammo for the military, and the ammo for you is the paperwork. In fact, due to the supple constraints (the nations' ammo stockpiles are all empty at the moment), this facility has been pretty much in non-stop production.

 

However: with the implementation of the M855A1, this will probably change... I doubt that the A1 ammo will be allowed for civilian sale, so that means they'll have to start doing separate productions for civilian sales and government sales. Plus... M855A1 ammo is a lot more expensive than your standard M855.

 

It's not "rejected" ammo... it's just ammo without all the paperwork to certify it for use. It's also not "surplus" ammo either as Federal has to pay for it to be produced, not the government.

Ok, so here's the 'scoop' on Federal Ammunition XM855 or XM193 produced at Lake City...

 

Lake City is a Government-owned, Contractor-operated (GOCO) facility that specializes in the production of small caliber ammunition. The current production contract is being held by ATK Systems and their subsidiary: Federal Premium Ammunition.

 

Ammunition produced under the names 'XM193' and 'XM855' use military spec powders, casings, primers, and projectiles. They use the same dies, they use the same QC. The only difference is the Lot inspection criteria, and the certs from the sub contractors and ATK. Basically, the only real difference between LCAAP ammo for the military, and the ammo for you is the paperwork. In fact, due to the supple constraints (the nations' ammo stockpiles are all empty at the moment), this facility has been pretty much in non-stop production.

 

However: with the implementation of the M855A1, this will probably change... I doubt that the A1 ammo will be allowed for civilian sale, so that means they'll have to start doing separate productions for civilian sales and government sales. Plus... M855A1 ammo is a lot more expensive than your standard M855.

 

It's not "rejected" ammo... it's just ammo without all the paperwork to certify it for use. It's also not "surplus" ammo either as Federal has to pay for it to be produced, not the government.

 

 

Thanks Adam, and this makes perfect sense.

Thanks for the clarification, Devs. I don't understand why ATK doesn't just say all that and clear up the confusion.

I hope eventually the M855A1 will be cleared for civilian sales. The Army does not classify it as "Armor Piercing".

 

Although it's not an armor-piercing round, the EPR can penetrate 3/8 inch-thick mild steel at distances approaching 400 meters (based on the range at which 50 percent of the rounds can pass through the barrier). The M855 only penetrates this material out to approximately 160 meters.

Link

I hope eventually the M855A1 will be cleared for civilian sales. The Army does not classify it as "Armor Piercing".

 

Link

 

It's gonna cost a lot seeing as it uses steel and copper predominantly and contains 0 lead.

It's gonna cost a lot seeing as it uses steel and copper predominantly and contains 0 lead.

 

Yea, isn't that something. Originally the copper was a beryllium/tin alloy, don't want to think about how much that would have cost. Perhaps next year we'll see them using silver in place of copper being our govt has unlimited funds.

Ya know Vinny you can really twist the truth, Get your **** together! My comment was that you were bringing a up totally irrelavant point.

 

If you knew me you would eat those words.

It didn't seem irrelevant, as that's partially what we were all discussing. You said you don't think it's right that we get the crap. I said I would rather get the crap lot than give it to our soldiers, and the smiley you posted made me think you disagreed with my statement. That's what I based it on. I wasn't trying to twist anything, it's all on page 1.

 

And my name isn't Vinny

Yea, isn't that something. Originally the copper was a beryllium/tin alloy, don't want to think about how much that would have cost. Perhaps next year we'll see them using silver in place of copper being our govt has unlimited funds.

 

I hear a rumor that they're gonna start casting gold bullets soon due to their magnetohydroexplosive properties. They requested $10 billion over the next 7 days.

It didn't seem irrelevant, as that's partially what we were all discussing. You said you don't think it's right that we get the crap. I said I would rather get the crap lot than give it to our soldiers, and the smiley you posted made me think you disagreed with my statement. That's what I based it on. I wasn't trying to twist anything, it's all on page 1.

 

And my name isn't Vinny

 

 

Go argue with somebody else! You don't make any sense to me.