http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1f6MaUaF30

 

Gosh, this just makes me love New Jersey even more! Nice to see the AR line is always being updated and renovated to todays needs.

That's a nice big bullet blasting box!

I want the 60 rounders because the 100 rounders are rediculously large. Rather use a BETA even though BETA is much heavier.

 

All my friends want the 100 rounders. Because all my friends are batshit crazy and do it for the chicks

I think these are more useful for military and law enforcement. For the weekend warrior that punches holes in paper, 30 rounders are probably more practical. S***.....forget 100 round mags. Yes I would LOVE to be able to have a BETA mag, but even a freakin 30 rounder would be nice right now.

I think these are more useful for military and law enforcement. For the weekend warrior that punches holes in paper, 30 rounders are probably more practical. S***.....forget 100 round mags. Yes I would LOVE to be able to have a BETA mag, but even a freakin 30 rounder would be nice right now.

 

Anything larger than 30 for semi is just for kicks. For auto, larger mags are a great accessory. It depends on the rate of fire of the gun. But 50 rounds (or 60) is great for M16. And these things are pretty light according to the specs I read. A BETA weighs more empty than the 50-round weighs loaded. Why did I say 50-round? I thought they were 50-round last time this came up on UZITalk and I went to their website to check them out.

I could see using a single 100 rounder ready to go and have the 60's on your person. They seem to be able to fit in regular double 30 round patches.

The impact on the applications by military and LE are enormous-- and it seems like it is about time. I have to agree with mipafox in that the notion that something more then 30 rounds for semi does seem a bit unneeded (though I wouldn't mind of course-- so, don't read it that I don't think civilians should have capacity regulations!).

Having the capacity to spit 100 rounds down range in a form factor that doesn't weigh a lot, and, it seems, also allows a person to carry more in a streamlined manner is a dream come true for fire teams... and any suppressive role. In the case of both 60 and 100 round magazines, I say it is "about time" that these are released for use because of the whole approach by the Pentagon to slim down the weight for troops (whether we're talking about rifles, armor, batteries, ammunition, etc). SOPs vary for different units of course, so, I can't speak for all of them, but before I got out I kept hearing from different people from different units about how they were being told to carry less and less loaded magazines (I say "loaded" magazines because a lot of these guys would keep a couple empty ones in their pack for their own peace of mind). It wasn't to carry less ammo, but to carry less weight. So, with these, a troop could carry the same amount of magazines, but essentially double their loadout without the excess weight. Great stuff.

 

Also, on the topic of these larger capacity magazines, Magpul threw their hat into the ring awhile back-- though nothing confirmed, just a patent filed for a quad-stack magazine design, more info here.

Aren't there implications for using an M16/M4 in a LMG role, as in the barrel for one will need to be regularly replaced, without it being easy as compared to say an M249? Add to that it being not field replaceable, unless they start issuing multiple full uppers.

The impact on the applications by military and LE are enormous-- and it seems like it is about time. I have to agree with mipafox in that the notion that something more then 30 rounds for semi does seem a bit unneeded (though I wouldn't mind of course-- so, don't read it that I don't think civilians should have capacity regulations!).

Having the capacity to spit 100 rounds down range in a form factor that doesn't weigh a lot, and, it seems, also allows a person to carry more in a streamlined manner is a dream come true for fire teams... and any suppressive role. In the case of both 60 and 100 round magazines, I say it is "about time" that these are released for use because of the whole approach by the Pentagon to slim down the weight for troops (whether we're talking about rifles, armor, batteries, ammunition, etc). SOPs vary for different units of course, so, I can't speak for all of them, but before I got out I kept hearing from different people from different units about how they were being told to carry less and less loaded magazines (I say "loaded" magazines because a lot of these guys would keep a couple empty ones in their pack for their own peace of mind). It wasn't to carry less ammo, but to carry less weight. So, with these, a troop could carry the same amount of magazines, but essentially double their loadout without the excess weight. Great stuff.

 

I'm long outta that business, I just like to hose shit down. And I like my gear light.

I hear you, mipa, no doubt. I think it would be crazy fun (esp if I had an FA like you ), but, for the shared reasons, it would get tiresome lugging them around. I mean, what's the fun in shooting 100 rounds on semi? Haha, no thanks.

 

As for the M16 platform, its a good point, Dan. I don't know the technical data on the wear and tear of using an M16 in a suppressive role, but take for example Mr. Noveske who uses the heavier M249 barrel on his AR rifles. Is it a fix? No way, and would need to be replaced, but I think its a step in the direction of outfitting M16's to take on a heavier role (though I'll agree not necessarily the answer). With that said, remember that M249's can use AR magazines (I do believe there has to be aftermarket work)-- which was what I was thinking when typing up my initial post.

 

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Anything larger than 30 for semi is just for kicks. For auto, larger mags are a great accessory.

This is EXACTLY what I was thinking. For me, plinking with a $12 30 round PMAG would be more than enjoyable....but in FA, I could see 30 round disappearing QUICKLY.

Weren't these developed for the IAR because BETA mags don't like combat conditions??

Ha! I just bought one!

 

Almost a year after I heard of these and almost seven months after I posted in this thread I see them in the wild for the first time TODAY!

 

I've been meaning to a 50-round mag dump to clean some gunk out of one of my suppressors. This 60-round mage should make for a fun test!

 

The dude's got several of them. Ed and Vicki didn't even have them at the last gun show I was at.

Its all for 3 gun matches.... 30 round mags, you may have to do a mag change. 50 round mags? unlikely, 100 round mags? You should not be in the sport. =P

Maks that is the most logical argument I have heard.

Saw a bunch at the Pennsy gunshow last weekend, they were all over the place.

I just figured out they've been everywhere online in recent weeks as well. I guess I am out of the loop. My gun spending has been very targeted and preplanned this year. This was one of the few impulse buys I made (other than a handgun or two). But, I did decide about a year ago that I needed one so I guess that's why I bought it outside of the planned budget.

Its all for 3 gun matches.... 30 round mags, you may have to do a mag change. 50 round mags? unlikely, 100 round mags? You should not be in the sport. =P

 

Yes and no. But I can see these being used a ton in competition shooting. Why reload when you don't have to!

These things have some strange groves on the body. It was a bitch getting a BETA loader on the top of the thing. Still haven't shot it.

These things have some strange groves on the body. It was a bitch getting a BETA loader on the top of the thing. Still haven't shot it.

 

Mag dump video please bro, when you can of course.

Mag dump video please bro, when you can of course.

 

OK, I'll do it and post it. I'll probably put it straight through the can on a short upper so it's going to be quick when it's done that way. I don't like large mag dumps on my rifle uppers because I don't like to F with the barrels more than nec. And with no serious range trips on the calendar, the only reason for a mag dump is to clean out my can before I soak it.