OK so you know how "dum-dum" bullets are illegal?

 

...right. So...what exactly is a dum-dum bullet?

 

from wiki:

...the Dum Dum arsenal produced its now infamous solution[to FMJ lack of expansion] - the jacketing was removed from the nose of the bullet, creating the first soft point bullets. Since the Mark II jacket did not cover the base of the round this could potentially lead to the jacketing being left in the barrel. This potential problem resulted in the rejection of the Dum-dum design, and independent development of the Mark III, Mark IV (1897) and Mark V (1899) .303 British rounds, which were of the hollow point design, with the jacket covering the base; while these were made in Britain, not at the Dum-Dum arsenal...

 

 

So, they experimented in the late 1800s at the dumdum arsenal, basically took an open based FMJ round and cut tip of the jacket off to make a JSP, and it failed because the core would blow through. These are no different than a soft point except modern soft points have a jacketed base.

 

...I wonder if somebody was arrested under "dumdum" bullet possesion, if they could fight it arguing that it is not a MKII .303 british round from the late 1800s with an unjacketed base produced at the dumdum arsenal

 

 

Shows how retarded our laws are. An experimental round that was never widely produced because it was a failure, over a century ago, half a world away, is illegal by name.

I have no idea what relevance that terminology has in modern times.. and honestly I have wondered the same thing..

The term "Dum-Dum" was also used to describe cutting an "X" across the tip of a lead RN bullet to "Aid Expansion".... basically the "Dum-Dum" name was used to descrise any Bubba'd up ammunition.

The term "Dum-Dum" was also used to describe cutting an "X" across the tip of a lead RN bullet to "Aid Expansion".... basically the "Dum-Dum" name was used to descrise any Bubba'd up ammunition.

 

I know, but its like calling a soft point a hollow point. its plain wrong. cutting an X aross the tip of a lead round nose bullet wouldnt be a dum dum by definition and I wonder if you could defend that in court with the above info

Oh New Jersey... you so crazzzzzy!

...right. So...what exactly is a dum-dum bullet?

 

Well, I searched through some sources (NJ AG Guidelines/Opinions, NJ Statutes Annotated, NJ Admin. Code and other sources).

 

I have found that people have been convicted of possession of dum-dum bullets in NJ as recently as 2009!!!!

 

I have found no definition for "dum-dum" bullets in anything authoritative in NJ. I did find a NJ CLE (Continuing Legal Education) publication from 2005 that references a California Appellate case for the definition of "dum-dum" and hollow-point bullets. But that was referring to expert testimony in a California case as a basis for defining these terms.

 

There is possibly a more broad definition of "dum-dum" bullets that would be applicable and might make some sense in terms of the stautory wording. That definition being "any bullet which is designed to expand or fragment upon impact with flesh." That would make hollow-points a form of "dum-dum" bullet. That would also make nearly every other type of "home defense" round a "dum-dum" bullet.

We are "Dum-Dum" for living here.