Ok.. So I was looking over Spike's website and see that they have a "walk in" option for picking items up.. I have a house down in FL and am actually going on vacation down there in a week.. What would the process consist of if picking up the parts I want for my AR build?? Can I just walk in with my FID card and walk out with the items and then ship them back home?? I know if I have them ship the items I have to have them ship to FFL dealer.. What if I grab them in person?? Thanks for any info.

You can buy and ship all the parts to your house... EXCEPT THE LOWER RECEIVER.. this is the only this that would have to go to a FFL if no mistaken... thats the way i had to do it.

Why can't you just bring it home with you? You can bring guns on hunting trips so why is this any different?

you can buy the lower, you need your fid and certificate of eligibility. You can buy ANYWHERE in the usa as long as it is a long arm...you cannot buy a pistol.

you can buy the lower, you need your fid and certificate of eligibility. You can buy ANYWHERE in the usa as long as it is a long arm...you cannot buy a pistol.

 

One can buy a long gun, but not a lower receiver that is not built into a rifle. This is Federal Law.

 

It would be much easier and less bothersome to ship it home to yourself via US Postal Parcel Post.

Ok.. I think I am a little more confused then before lol.. My idea was to buy the Spikes lower receiver while in Florida as they are minutes away from my vacation home and then I would take it and ship it back home (NJ) to myself.. Is this allowed or as it was stated above can you not buy just a lower out of state? I figured I would save the transfer costs by purchasing over the internet as by doing it online you have to have them ship to FLL Dealer.

 

Also as I stated in another thread I am also looking at a complete upper that is also sold by Spike's. So theoretically while they list the complete lower and complete upper separately couldn't they just put them together on site and then sell it as a whole long gun if in fact a lower cannot be sold alone?

Ok.. I think I am a little more confused then before lol.. My idea was to buy the Spikes lower receiver while in Florida as they are minutes away from my vacation home and then I would take it and ship it back home (NJ) to myself.. Is this allowed or as it was stated above can you not buy just a lower out of state? I figured I would save the transfer costs by purchasing over the internet as by doing it online you have to have them ship to FLL Dealer.

 

Also as I stated in another thread I am also looking at a complete upper that is also sold by Spike's. So theoretically while they list the complete lower and complete upper separately couldn't they just put them together on site and then sell it as a whole long gun if in fact a lower cannot be sold alone?

 

One can only have non-complete firearms transferred through a dealer in their state of residence.

 

November, 2009 FFL Newsletter

Age Restriction & Interstate Transfer Reminders

Licensees are reminded that firearm frames, receivers, and other firearms that are neither handguns nor long guns (rifles or shotguns) are considered “Other Firearms.” They cannot be sold or delivered by a licensee to any person under 21 years of age. Additionally, 18 U.S.C. 922(b)(3) states that a licensee shall not sell or deliver any firearm other than a shotgun or rifle to any person who does not reside in the State in which the licensee’s place of business or activity is located; this restriction includes handguns, pistol grip firearms utilizing shotgun ammunition, and frames and receivers.

 

Spike's should not sell you an upper and lower at the same time, as it would be tax evasion on the excise tax that is paid when a firearm is built. Call them and ask them them if in doubt.

Ok.. I think I am a little more confused then before lol.. My idea was to buy the Spikes lower receiver while in Florida as they are minutes away from my vacation home and then I would take it and ship it back home (NJ) to myself.. Is this allowed or as it was stated above can you not buy just a lower out of state? I figured I would save the transfer costs by purchasing over the internet as by doing it online you have to have them ship to FLL Dealer.

 

Also as I stated in another thread I am also looking at a complete upper that is also sold by Spike's. So theoretically while they list the complete lower and complete upper separately couldn't they just put them together on site and then sell it as a whole long gun if in fact a lower cannot be sold alone?

To clarify: You can buy all the parts cash and carry (no paperwork) in FL except the lower (stripped or not). The lower must be transferred to you though an FFL in the state you live in.

 

That being said, if you are a part time resident of FL, and have ID to prove it, you can buy the lower there as a FL resident and later bring it back to NJ. If you are not a FL resident you must have it sent to an NJ FFL.

 

If you can get a complete rifle you can buy that there and bring it back to NJ as long as FL law allows it and it's not an AW.

To clarify: You can buy all the parts cash and carry (no paperwork) in FL except the lower (stripped or not). The lower must be transferred to you though an FFL in the state you live in.

 

That being said, if you are a part time resident of FL, and have ID to prove it, you can buy the lower there as a FL resident and later bring it back to NJ. If you are not a FL resident you must have it sent to an NJ FFL.

 

If you can get a complete rifle you can buy that there and bring it back to NJ as long as FL law allows it and it's not an AW.

Lets just say the out of state FFL were to attach a fixed stock or its a complete A2 lower with a fixed stock attached. Both transfers would be legal correct?

That would not be a complete rifle. It is still a receiver with a stock attached.

That would not be a complete rifle. It is still a receiver with a stock attached.

 

Paul,

I thought once a stock is attached to a lower it is then considered a rifle (no longer an "other")? And once a rifle always a rifle per federal law? Has this rule changed recently?

Paul,

I thought once a stock is attached to a lower it is then considered a rifle (no longer an "other")? And once a rifle always a rifle per federal law? Has this rule changed recently?

 

 

Possibly. THIS LNK explains it a little better. BUT, this has been discussed in all directions leaving doubt in my mind and others.

 

I will not transfer a receiver with a buttstock attached to a non-resident or to anyone under 21 YOA.

 

In NJ, a COE would be used to transfer a stripped AR lower because this is NJ, and NJ only recognizes a long gun OR handgun as firearms. Frames, receivers and pistol gripped shotguns must be considered long guns or handguns, hence the confusion.

Thanks Paul.

 

I know there was a TON of confusion about this rule change when it hit a year or two ago. Thanks for the clarification.