Wondering if anyone has or has experience/info with Stoeger's defense guns...

 

Some people have said that they're Benelli's second label, which in the wine business, can mean many different things. Some of the best deals in the world are "second labels", which can be 10-50-500-5000 wines in 4-40-400 pricetags, which again can be absolutely tremendous values or absolute waste of moneys and downright bad wines.

 

I have handled a few of them on St. Patrick's Day /10 the day I bought my Supernova turkey/tac gun which I couldn't love and sold. I also saw the Pump defense P350? version at Sportsmans last summer but they wanted like $400 for it, just couldn't do it. they have a tactical auto 2000 semi auto model, which is inertia drive, same as their newest big boy auto , an Inertia 3.5" chambered gun like the newest Benelli. And their pump is a dead ringer for the Supernova tactical.

 

But i've been told by two people, they're NOT Benelli, just owned by Benelli, the turkish quality is terrible and the parts are suspect/foul. And Benelli to me is the best, especially having owned one, but also the most expensive.

 

Just wondering, everyone always talks the Coach guns from Stoeger, which I just don't have any inclination or desire to have, I like combat shotguns. If I was to buy a non-tactical shotgun, it would probably be hunting gun, followed by some Games gun like a Remington 1100, Maybe a Benelli but I dont have any interest in coach or Even the over/under, why pay $3500 for break action over unders that are all dolled up , and I would foul them up and scratch them up in my bedroom let alone the range. This is only my opinions and my use, of course everyone else has other likes and desires and uses, please don't take me wrong.

when i shot ray rays i was totally addicted to it its sick looking loved it... then i couldnt get my mind off of it... then i started reading lots and lots of unhappy people with stoeger guns.. and on top of that there are more videos on youtube of stoegers failing to fire then actual ones firing so i gave up on it.. if i get the tick to shoot one ill just love on ray rays

I did not know he had one, as I said I was shown a few when I bought my Supernova, and literally Dick's was WHEELING AND DEALING that day on 3/17/10 (at oxford valley mall location, PA)... I got a $600 Supernova, for $350. And they offered me the pump Stoeger 350 defense , for an additional $199. I literally was about to do it when the kid was like, whispering "Save your money my boss can't give these away.." And I'm like, Benelli's 2nd line right"?? He shakes his head no, and I figured, one shotgun that day was enough, my 930 SPX is my main rig, an additonal Supernova was fine.

 

Just something I look at. I have never ordered another Supernova [Tactical Ghost Ring] because I really also like the Mossberg 590A1's, and I can't justfiy BOTH of those plus a 930 SPX. So I figured, if they were okay, might be worth a look. But for $400, I would just get the Benelli again, they really are that nice.

Scrap, I did not know you where a shotgun guy. That makes me happy. Bello is right, there seems to be alot of bad reviews on the Stoeger guns but mine is fine. Caso's has sold a bunch of them (and the coach guns as well) and everyone has loved them.

As far as Benelli, I prefer the Remy's and Mossy's but that's just me. I like the SuperNova Tactical (Bello's) though and I'll have one eventually.

The Stoeger Over-unders have a bad rap when it comes to chewing through firing pins. Apparently it is not an "if" so much as a "when" it will break. I don't know if that applies to other Stoeger models/types though.

I wouldnt bet my life on a stoeger shotgun. Their cougar handguns, however, are fine pieces AFAIK

The Stoeger Over-unders have a bad rap when it comes to chewing through firing pins. Apparently it is not an "if" so much as a "when" it will break. I don't know if that applies to other Stoeger models/types though.

 

Is there anything that can be done to prevent this? I've heard about this as well.

Is there anything that can be done to prevent this? I've heard about this as well.

 

Keep a few spares firing pins in your pocket? I have yet to hear about a good replacement part that eliminates the problem.

Well, mine has been fine so far and I've used birdshot, buck, slugs, and defensive birdshot with no issues.

Over Under never really did it for me, neither coach guns. I guess back in the day, a big-a$ blast from a shotgun barrel followed up by another big a$-blast was a huge deal, both armament-wise and technologically-wise. But it's 2011, ain't workin for me. Neither really do I Need a mag-fed shotgun, however awesome they may be. To me there is a happy medium, in the 5-9 shot range that a standard pump/semi with maybe an extension will be just fine to very good.

 

And the Supernova I had was awesome, if not even as awesome as the Tactical. I love my Mossberg too, more than I would a Benelli maybe, but credit where credit is due, it's really smooth and sleek.

 

I didn't want an 870 for probably the same reason I didn't want a 10/22, everyone had that, I like popularity but not necessarily the most popular.

Wondering if anyone has or has experience/info with Stoeger's defense guns...

 

Some people have said that they're Benelli's second label, which in the wine business, can mean many different things. Some of the best deals in the world are "second labels", which can be 10-50-500-5000 wines in 4-40-400 pricetags, which again can be absolutely tremendous values or absolute waste of moneys and downright bad wines.

 

I have handled a few of them on St. Patrick's Day /10 the day I bought my Supernova turkey/tac gun which I couldn't love and sold. I also saw the Pump defense P350? version at Sportsmans last summer but they wanted like $400 for it, just couldn't do it. they have a tactical auto 2000 semi auto model, which is inertia drive, same as their newest big boy auto , an Inertia 3.5" chambered gun like the newest Benelli. And their pump is a dead ringer for the Supernova tactical.

 

But i've been told by two people, they're NOT Benelli, just owned by Benelli, the turkish quality is terrible and the parts are suspect/foul. And Benelli to me is the best, especially having owned one, but also the most expensive.

 

Just wondering, everyone always talks the Coach guns from Stoeger, which I just don't have any inclination or desire to have, I like combat shotguns. If I was to buy a non-tactical shotgun, it would probably be hunting gun, followed by some Games gun like a Remington 1100, Maybe a Benelli but I dont have any interest in coach or Even the over/under, why pay $3500 for break action over unders that are all dolled up , and I would foul them up and scratch them up in my bedroom let alone the range. This is only my opinions and my use, of course everyone else has other likes and desires and uses, please don't take me wrong.

Stoeger is simply the importer of the shotguns. Their O/U's and SxS's are all made by E.R. Amantino out of Brazil. They are not a low-end Benelli.

http://www.eramantino.com.br/eramantino/index.php?id=en

 

And I'm pretty sure Beretta owns all these brands: Benelli, Sako, Stoeger, Uberti, Franchi & Tikka.

 

There is a marked difference between a $350 shotgun and a $3,500 shotgun. Besides hand-fitment, quality of walnut, quality of parts, hand-checkering and wood and metal finish that goes into assembling the higher-end shotgun; my money is also on the higher-end gun for lasting longer. Every gun has its idiosyncrasies, but some by the nature of their construction and low-quality of parts are simply prone to more problems.

 

As an example of such idiosyncrasies; Citori O/U's, based on the Superposed design, are prone to the lower firing pin delivering weak strikes or the firing pin tip wearing prematurely due to the use of hard primers. But this problem creeps up after about 100,000 rounds fired. Does that make the Citori a bad or cheap shotgun? Not at all. Is there a reason why Miroku (the Japanese maker of Citori's, imported by Browning) began making their frames with bushed firing pins on their shotguns that were sold in the European market? I'm sure there was a reason.

 

Is the Stoeger a good value? Sure it is for the price for a new S/S. That's an easy decision to make, but when it comes to shotguns, you do get what you pay for. Will a Stoeger last for 100,000 rounds before any premature breakages? I dunno. There are better time-proven designs and some of the older shotguns that are still around are still here for a reason.

Just FYI, it's not that I made it up, many people have either referred to them as, etc. gun shop ppl said, forum people (not necessarily here) have said how it's Benelli's second line/extra line/ shotguns thast didn't make the cut etc. and I'm quite certain at least the two tactical Stoeger's I saw, the pump that was liek the Supernovas Tactical and the semi like the M2 Tactical, they were made in Turkey .

Scrap, you can shoot my 870 or 590A1 or Stoeger if you want. And don't listen to Glenn, he drank the AK juice and nothing is better than an AK for home defense (in his mind anyway).

Just FYI, it's not that I made it up, many people have either referred to them as, etc. gun shop ppl said, forum people (not necessarily here) have said how it's Benelli's second line/extra line/ shotguns thast didn't make the cut etc. and I'm quite certain at least the two tactical Stoeger's I saw, the pump that was liek the Supernovas Tactical and the semi like the M2 Tactical, they were made in Turkey .

Yes, the pump and semi-auto are made in Turkey by Sila Sanayi A.S. (formerly Vursan)

http://www.vursan.com.tr/index_en.htm

Glad I saw this.. I was considering a P350.. but the $399 price held me back yesterday.. now I might call the shop and tell them I'll give them $300 for it. Hmmmm...

 

What is a good HD shotgun then without spending an arm and leg?

+1 on the Stoeger Cougar handguns... Never tried the .40 or the compact 9mm, but love the full-size 9mm and the .45 ACP (8000 and 8045), and they both fit my hands better than the 92FS. The 92 does have a slightly better trigger, though, and a lot more parts available, and certainly a track record. The Cougar would make a very nice "cheap" home defense gun and is probably one of the best values out there, certainly in the DA/SA platform. I actually prefer it to the seemingly better engineered Storm.

 

I also think there is a place in a home battery for the double-barreled coach gun. It is simple to use, relatively short, and two loads of 12 gauge should be able to handle quite a bit. And its quick to reload and a no-brainer. No short cycling the action, etc. and its easy to check to see if its loaded. Not to mention, it would probably shoot just about any shells put in it. And, if there was ever a scenario where you didn't have two functioning arms, it would be a plus over a pump. But, its real value, I think, would be that it would be a handy shotgun for a vehicle due to its short length. I'm not going to run out and buy one, but if I find one at a nice price, I would pick it up.

 

I don't know anything about the semi-auto shotguns.