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I didn't see this here, sorry if it's already been posted.

This story is on the verge of being unbelievable. If a weapon discharges in a customer's hand do you A)Take gun away and clear it while wondering how a live round go in the weapon, or B) Pull the trigger a second time without clearing the weapon?

 

 

 

Gun Goes Off Twice at Gun & Knife Show at Gibraltar Trade Center in Mt. Clemens

 

Updated: Friday, 24 Jun 2011, 10:39 PM EDT

Published : Friday, 24 Jun 2011, 10:39 PM EDT

 

By RONNIE DAHL

WJBK | myFOXDetroit.com

 

 

 

MOUNT CLEMENS, Mich. (WJBK) - The first day of the Gun and Knife Show at the Gibraltar Trade Center North in Mount Clemens started off with a bang.

 

"There was a gunshot. It was loud," said Dawn Gaines.

 

Less than two hours after the show started, a customer was handling a .45 semi-automatic handgun when it discharged.

 

Gaines was selling raffle tickets nearby.

 

"I saw the customer. Obviously it scared him. I saw him. He put it down and stepped back," she said.

 

The sound sent shoppers scrambling and hearts racing. Then it happened again.

 

"I would say it was within a minute there was the second shot," Gaines told FOX 2.

 

"The owner got the gun back, but while trying to make it safe and check it discharged a second round, which caused three people to be struck by fragments of where the bullets were hitting things and ricocheting around," said Captain John Roberts with the Macomb County Sheriff's Department.

 

The victims, two women and a ten-year-old girl, innocent people at the trade center to do some bargain shopping.

 

"Fortunately, they're very minor injuries, scrapes, that type of thing. They were checked by EMS at the scene and didn't require going to the hospital," Roberts said.

 

Word of the incident quickly spread, but it didn't delay the Gun and Knife Show. The trade center remains open and customers are still shopping for good deals, but with caution.

 

FOX 2's Ronnie Dahl asked Zoey Dushi what she will do differently when she walks by a table with guns the next time.

 

"I will just like walk away or try not to go by them because, I don't know, it's scary," she said.

 

"People forgot to follow the cardinal rule here. Whenever you're handling a firearm to make sure that it's empty before pointing it at anybody or pulling the trigger," said Roberts.

 

"God was watching over everybody in there," Gaines said.

 

The gun owner is a 64-year-old man from Marysville. He's been banned from selling anything at any future gun shows at the trade center. Criminal charges are pending following an investigation.

 

We also learned he had about a dozen guns. Deputies checked those, as well as all the other weapons in the building just to make sure they were indeed safe. They said that they don't recall anything like this happening at the trade center in the past.

F'ing idiots. Screw things up for everyone else.

What is wrong with RONNIE DAHL for asking that stupid question at a gun & knife show?

 

"People forgot to follow the cardinal rule here. Whenever you're handling a firearm to make sure that it's empty before pointing it at anybody or pulling the trigger," said Roberts.

 

 

WHAT??? Had the 1 of the 4 cardinal rules been changed???

 

Harry

During a private transaction a seller took out a rifle and was trying to show it off to me. He was making me very nervous cause he never cleared it and the safety was off. He was pointing it in every direction and at some point I really wanted to hit the deck cause I had a "Feeling". Keep in mind that half of the time he had his finger on the trigger. So finally he handed over the rifle to me. The 1st thing I did >> point it at the floor and pull back the bolt. Anybody wants take a wild guess what happend ?? Yee the round flew out. The guy was looking at me: was it inside ??? I almost left after that, but ended up buying the rifle when I was in the hallway I think he was still baffled by what he did so agreed to my most ridiculous offer

Lesson learned>>>> I was very stupid for not asking him to clear the weapon. I rather be rude and alive than polite and dead. Pls guys be safe, be careful and always ask ...

i was talking to a guy that was checking everyones gun at a gunshow near trevose pa. he was saying how one time an older guy took his cc weapon from his holster didnt drop the mag but pulled the first round out of the gun, briefly showed chamber racked the next round into chamber pointed at the guys chest went to pull the trigger and the man checking the gun pushed his finger webbing between the hammer and firing pin. the guy carrying the gun said "what the f are you doing the gun is empty." the guy checking the guns said you racked a new round in the gun the guy almost **** himself when that round came flying out his gun. i dunno what people are thinking some times.

Yesterday I was picking up new "to me" rifle from CMO. A guy there was picking up a .22 air gun he had ordered. It had a barrel plug in the end of it. He starts fondling it. Next thing we know, the gun goes off and the cap flies at the racks. Idiot was fondling it and pulled the trigger. WTF if that was a loaded gun. Never, NEVER put your finger even near the trigger. I don't get it....

I stopped going to gun shows because I got sick of being muzzle-swept by old fat guys and idiots who think it's OK to sight a gun on someones chest. Twice, I had to say, in an extremely loud voice, "Excuse me sir, please don't point that gun at people." The second time, I got into it with a vendor who accused me of messing up his sale after chastising his customer. This was in Fredrick, MD. I don't care how much money you can save; to me, no amount of money is worth that. Guess this article is case in point.

Some people need to have their license to be human cards revoked.

 

This is the biggest problem that I see with most of the "anti" crowd that I know. When all is said and done, they always tell me that they don't mind if I have 20 EBR's in my home, they worry about the morons and idiots out there having guns. Their answer... since you can't arbitrarily interview people and determine whether or not they are smart and stable enough to own guns, just prevent everyone from owning them. Us law-abiding responsible gun owners are simply sacrificed as acceptable casualties.

This is the biggest problem that I see with most of the "anti" crowd that I know. When all is said and done, they always tell me that they don't mind if I have 20 EBR's in my home, they worry about the morons and idiots out there having guns. Their answer... since you can't arbitrarily interview people and determine whether or not they are smart and stable enough to own guns, just prevent everyone from owning them. Us law-abiding responsible gun owners are simply sacrificed as acceptable casualties.

 

I agree. I'm a huge subscriber to the 99/1 theory - that the 1% of idiots ruin it for the 99% of safe, responsible shooters. I don't pretend to know the answer, either - how to prevent unsafe people from owning guns without paving the way for an all-out ban. But guys like the one in the story need to be removed from any proximity to guns. There's no such thing as an accidental discharge.

There's no such thing as an accidental discharge.

 

I believe there is a distinction between a negligent discharge and an accidental discharge. For example, if you were to unholster your carry gun at the end of the night, point it in a safe direction, flip the decocker lever it and it fires, that would be an 'accidental discharge' because there was a failure with a component in the gun. Same goes with a hangfire or barrel cook, they are accidental discharges. If you pull the trigger and it fires when you didn't want it to-- negligence.

 

There's a lot of debate on the term

http://vuurwapenblog.com/2010/06/01/negligent-discharges-vs-accidental-discharges/

http://www.thehighroad.org/archive/index.php/t-226545.html

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=394792

 

And I guess it does appear boil down to semantics if you think about it... but since most people wouldn't consider a hangfire negligence, what do you call it?

hey, sh!t happens

It's called an ad for a reason. But funny think is I've been to the gun and knife show there at gibralter trade center

there have also been wacos who have gone to gun shows and loaded guns and then just walk away hoping something will happen. it is still no excuse for not checking to make sure its not loaded, both guys should be banned from future shows.