This has been making it's way thru the gun forums... haven't seen it here yet, so, without further ado:

 

 

heh, it is funny but soooo sad.

 

Gun safety 101... when drawing, your trigger finger on the frame, not in the trigger guard.

 

+1 to the guy for making a video. =)

He'll be the safest guy to shoot with for the next 6 months.

 

If his a** was skinnier he would have missed.

heh, it is funny but soooo sad.

 

Gun safety 101... when drawing, your trigger finger on the frame, not in the trigger guard.

 

+1 to the guy for making a video. =)

 

Mine is on the slide. There are people that teach to put it ON, but not IN, the trigger guard. Screw that, but that's just me.

He referred to his "training" kicking in after he shot himself. Well if he was "trained" properly, he probably wouldn't have his finger on the trigger while the gun was pointed as his freakin' thigh. Just sayin'.

This reminds me.... one of the things that Mike (col mortimer) was talking about during the uspsa safety brief is to stick hip out while holstering/unholstering to prevent this very thing.... or.... use a race belt where the gun sticks out a tad.

 

I am surprised he did it with a 1911 and not the glocks.

 

the serpa type locks on the glocks place finger directly in the trigger guard. The serpa 1911 holster I have places the trigger finger directly on the frame, atop the trigger guard.

Poignant demonstration of the possible danger of having lots of variability in weapon and holster controls.

i just keep watching in slow mo and you can see the round (or his skin) moving his pants!

My training kicked in......I called my mommy and daddy.

 

 

lol love that part.

+1 for him making this vid..

The serpa 1911 holster I have places the trigger finger directly on the frame, atop the trigger guard.

 

Ditto the serpa for an XD - yet another reason to pick an XD over a Crock. :thsmiley_deadhorse:

Px4 Storm SERPA is finger-on-frame too.

My training kicked in......I called my mommy and daddy.

 

 

lol love that part.

 

Yeah, I noticed that as well. But first he dropped his sidearm and ran away from it. Then he called Mommy in accordace with his training.

Not defending him or his "training", but if you listen closely, he engages the safety on the gun and places (drops?) it on the ground. Given the circumstances, I'll at least "tip my hat" to him for having the presence of mind to do that

Sig serpa is g2g also great finger placement

This reminds me.... one of the things that Mike (Col. Mortimer) was talking about during the uspsa safety brief is to stick hip out while holstering/unholstering to prevent this very thing.... or.... use a race belt where the gun sticks out a tad.

 

I am surprised he did it with a 1911 and not the glocks.

 

the serpa type locks on the glocks place finger directly in the trigger guard. The serpa 1911 holster I have places the trigger finger directly on the frame, atop the trigger guard.

 

1) LOL!

2) I was going to post that if he had listened to me, this would not have happened. His other mistake is he drew the pistol straight up too far. Once it cleared the holster, he should have pointed the pistol away from his body.

3) At least some one listens to me.

4) It pays to listen to the Col.

Mike, I still do the lean with I holster/unholster as well.

 

This guy made a mistake, it wasn't the gun or the holster. If you're smart enough to put your finger on the frame/slide, you're not going to pull the trigger before you want to.

LOL this is extremely hilarious. The best parts arent even when he shoots himself, but how he tries to act on the video

 

I love how he prefaces the video by rattling off the specs of his 1911...it makes it even more hilarious when he shoots himself.

 

I would also like to know what "training" took over and where he learned it. Maybe he should have trained not to shoot himself.

 

Mistakes happen all the time, especially things like this but...I can't help but not sympathize with this guy for some reason.

I thought that was Wolfy when I first saw it.

 

Hey, sh!t happens.

Kudos to the guy for making a video of this event. Outside of the obvious physical wounds, he had to feel a tremendous embarrassment as well. One of our worst fears, and I'm glad he had the balls to share it.

 

He said he did that draw thousands of times. The message I got was complacency could happen at any time, to any one of us. He's lucky he didn't hit a vital organ or another person.

Sig serpa is g2g also great finger placement

 

Agreed about the Sig holster. I recently started using the Bladetech DOH holster and while I like the speed it gives you, I don't like the fact that the drop and offset essentially cants the muzzle right at your knee.

Lol kneecapping yourself not good yeah I have the blackhawk cqc sportster to clarify hopefully getting some live fire with it on Sunday

You have to give this guy credit. It takes a whole lot of guts to self post a video like that on the internet, especially in today's generation of labeling things as an "Epic Fail".

 

That being said, muscle memory is what shot him in the leg. In his video he mentions how earlier in the day he was using a thumb activated release holster (I think he said it was 5.11) and then shot himself with the SERPA. It's not that one is more dangerous then the other, but he was conditioned to pushing his thumb down, drawing rapidly, and firing at close retention. So that is exactly what his brain did. Unfortunately the same thumb activation motion disengaged his safety, and his issues clearing the SERPA holster slowed down his draw time to where he squeezed the trigger too early; which one could argue was also due to the tempo he was firing at earlier in the day.

 

TRUE: the gun will not fire unless you pull the trigger

TRUE: he should of kept his trigger finger on the frame until he got the muzzle angled/pointed toward the target

TRUE: speed can keep you alive, but not if you shoot yourself before you engage the threat

 

There is a reason you should pick a single (if possible) style of holster for all of your handguns, train with it, stick with it, and have it committed to muscle memory.

 

My $0.02

LOL this is extremely hilarious. The best parts arent even when he shoots himself, but how he tries to act on the video

 

I love how he prefaces the video by rattling off the specs of his 1911...it makes it even more hilarious when he shoots himself.

 

I would also like to know what "training" took over and where he learned it. Maybe he should have trained not to shoot himself.

 

Mistakes happen all the time, especially things like this but...I can't help but not sympathize with this guy for some reason.

 

 

if you find someone shooting themselves with an AD this funny, please post when and where you shoot So i can be sure to never be around you.

if you find someone shooting themselves with an AD this funny, please post when and where you shoot So i can be sure to never be around you.

 

+1

And about the video when I saw the slow motion you can see the finger going into the trigger and pull. seemed to me like he was trying to push his speed (that's why he was taping himsel) and the trigger pull beat the movement of his arms... just an opinion. But it takes a real man to accept the error and it's very brave of him to put himself out there as an exaple so other people don't go through the same so have some respect for him.

It's **** like this that makes SERPA holsters undesirable in my mind. Under stress you fugg up and the position of the release makes you more prone to do so. Mitigation helps prevent emergencies...

It's **** like this that makes SERPA holsters undesirable in my mind. Under stress you fugg up and the position of the release makes you more prone to do so. Mitigation helps prevent emergencies...

 

Sorry but that's a bs excuse..I've used serpas with both 1911's and with Glocks, and my finger goes into it's normal high-index (Just about in the ejection port) because that's where i've TRAINED to put it. Using equipment as an excuse for poor training doesnt work. I wont use a Serpa for anything other than Admin/match shooting because IMO they aren't reliable in field conditions, you can get crap in under the release that will lock the weapon in, or the spring could fail thereby releasing the weapon when it isnt supposed to. Some swear by them, and they are decent holsters, but i dont TRUST them.

It's **** like this that makes SERPA holsters undesirable in my mind. Under stress you fugg up and the position of the release makes you more prone to do so. Mitigation helps prevent emergencies...

Sorry but that's a bs excuse..I've used serpas with both 1911's and with Glocks, and my finger goes into it's normal high-index (Just about in the ejection port) because that's where i've TRAINED to put it. Using equipment as an excuse for poor training doesnt work. I wont use a Serpa for anything other than Admin/match shooting because IMO they aren't reliable in field conditions, you can get crap in under the release that will lock the weapon in, or the spring could fail thereby releasing the weapon when it isnt supposed to. Some swear by them, and they are decent holsters, but i dont TRUST them.

I kind of agree with both of you. I agree with KpdPipes, as I have seen Serpas lock up when they have gotten little rocks stuck in them. However I have also seen someone I know, who had been training with a Serpa for years, and has very good trigger discipline, put an airsoft pellet into his leg during the stress of a force on force drill involving movement, and return fire.

 

To me there are just too many potential problems with the Serpa to make it a viable option.

Some interesting points on the Serpa and Tex's ND:

Some interesting points on the Serpa and Tex's ND:

That was a good summary of the potential problems with Serpas.