It appears in the Utah regulations that they require courses for their Concealed Firearms Permit be taught seperately from those courses for other states CCW permits. To save some money and not have to take two classes, one for each permit, take the Utah class. You should be able to use the class certificate for the Florida requirement since they do not requre that classes for the Florida Concealed Weapon or Firearm License be separate. Check with your instructor.

 

 

 

From Florida:

"Demonstrates competence with a firearm by any one of the following:

1. Completion of any hunter education or hunter safety course approved by the Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission or a similar agency of another state;

2. Completion of any National Rifle Association firearms safety or training course;

3. Completion of any firearms safety or training course or class available to the general public offered by a law enforcement, junior college, college, or private or public institution or organization or firearms training school, utilizing instructors certified by the National Rifle Association, Criminal Justice Standards and Training Commission, or the Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services;...

7. Completion of any firearms training or safety course or class conducted by a state-certified or National Rifle Association certified firearms instructor;

 

A photocopy of a certificate of completion of any of the courses or classes; or an affidavit from the instructor, school, club, organization, or group that conducted or taught said course or class attesting to the completion of the course or class by the applicant; or a copy of any document which shows completion of the course or class or evidences participation in firearms competition shall constitute evidence of qualification under this paragraph; any person who conducts a course pursuant to subparagraph 2., subparagraph 3., or subparagraph 7., or who, as an instructor, attests to the completion of such courses, must maintain records certifying that he or she observed the student safely handle and discharge the firearm;"

http://www.flsenate.gov/Laws/Statutes/2010/790.06

 

 

From Utah:

"To properly teach the minimum training standard, in person instruction consisting of a minimum of 4 hours is recommended. This time frame should consist of course related material not to include extra services such as fingerprinting, photos, etc. If a certified instructor chooses to teach multi state permits, the Utah permit must be completed separately. This policy ensures the Utah concealed firearm permit course is taught in its entirety without intermixing different states interpretation of the laws and rules governed within. Please follow these statutory guidelines as you instruct!"

http://publicsafety.utah.gov/bci/documents/MTC20115162011.pdf

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Rightly or wrongly, FL rejected the certificate I got from my UTAH course for the Florida CCW....

 

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I used the same certificate from NRA certified instructor for both no problem. That was like 5 years ago though. Not sure if they changed things

since.

I took the UT/FL course from GAPP back in March and used the photocopy of the course certificate for UTAH to qualify for Florida. They accepted it with no issue

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Rightly or wrongly, FL rejected the certificate I got from my UTAH course for the Florida CCW....

 

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I believe that is because Utah's class is just on CCW laws and doesn't require any live fire or firearm handling whereas FL does.

I believe that is because Utah's class is just on CCW laws and doesn't require any live fire or firearm handling whereas FL does.

 

That is more than likely the reason, and one that has caused a problem nationwide.

 

Applicants (and instructors) are not reading Florida law 790 as they are instructed to do. They are not picking up on the live fire requirements. Sometimes, someone's app will slip through and they'll be issued a Florida permit. Those instructors out there who knowingly issue certs to be used for Florida and who are not requiring the student to undergo a live fire exercise, are in my opinion fraudulently certifying someone for the permit. When we have a student contact us for a Florida cert, we conduct a 50 round skills demonstration where they must perform a number of safe handling/discharge procedures. We then maintain a copy of that and provide the student with a copy.

 

Its just like the fingerprinting issue. Utah just requires a set of prints and anyone can do them. Florida requires that prints are done at a "law enforcement agency". Key word "agency". I inquired of Florida about whether an off duty "law enforcement officer" could do the prints and they said no, that it must be done at the agency as per their statute. They said the reason was for verification and validity purposes. There's alot of off duty cops doing prints on the side and again, those applications are not being submitted "correctly" in my opinion.