http://www.nj.com/mercer/index.ssf/2011/07/victims_of_west_windsor_home_i.html

 

This story is getting some press currently, so, many of you may have already read about it.

This home invasion occurred in West Windsor, which, for me, is a neighboring town, and, because of how the school district is set up, a fellow community (as I grew up virtually in this town as well). So, for this to happen in West Windsor, which has been voted as one of the best places to raise a family in USA, is kind of shocking, though it doesn't come as a huge surprise, as things like this can happen anywhere, anytime.

 

So, stay vigilant out there, all.

 

ETA: Here is the original story that included some more info: http://www.nj.com/mercer/index.ssf/2011/07/west_windsor_police_investigat.html

I live in Ewing, so West Windsor is relatively close to me.....about 15 minutes away. Luckily I live in the better part of Ewing, although I'm only about 2 miles away from a pretty rough neck of woods.

 

I'm wondering why their garage door was open that late at night. I wouldn't even leave a detached garage door open, let alone one that led into my house.

The tidbit from the article that I added that stated that Asian households have been targeted in the surrounding area is a bit surprising, as this is not new news-- and has in fact been a topic of discussion within the community between families. I guess it's good that the authorities are finally acknowledging this. From what has been discussed, and is brought up in one of the comments, Asian families are not being targeted because they're specifically Asian, but because many of them do cash-only businesses, and, are thought, to retain a lot of that within the household (also because Asians, from my experience [being one and interacting with many], don't trust banks). I don't know if this is the case with this specific family, as it has been stated they are of an Indian background.

 

Without divulging too much, this type of stuff does worry me as this is not a new occurrence (though new in WW, and because of that a definite shocker). In my neighborhood years ago, a household was tied up just like this and had their valuables stolen. There was even a list put out by BGs that the authorities were able to get a hold of, which helped disrupt the possible home invasions, a few years back as well which consisted of all Asian households (my parents were notified that our household was apparently on the list). So, for me to see this type of stuff crop back up kind of strikes a personal chord.

 

Needless to say, I'm keeping my powder dry and within reach.

The tidbit from the article that I added that stated that Asian households have been targeted in the surrounding area is a bit surprising, as this is not new news-- and has in fact been a topic of discussion within the community between families. I guess it's good that the authorities are finally acknowledging this. From what has been discussed, and is brought up in one of the comments, Asian families are not being targeted because they're specifically Asian, but because many of them do cash-only businesses, and, are thought, to retain a lot of that within the household (also because Asians, from my experience [being one and interacting with many], don't trust banks). I don't know if this is the case with this specific family, as it has been stated they are of an Indian background.

 

Without divulging too much, this type of stuff does worry me as this is not a new occurrence (though new in WW, and because of that a definite shocker). In my neighborhood years ago, a household was tied up just like this and had their valuables stolen. There was even a list put out by BGs that the authorities were able to get a hold of, which helped disrupt the possible home invasions, a few years back as well which consisted of all Asian households (my parents were notified that our household was apparently on the list). So, for me to see this type of stuff crop back up kind of strikes a personal chord.

 

Needless to say, I'm keeping my powder dry and within reach.

 

Kudos to you--- At least I don't hear your community crying "Hate Crime"

 

Hate Crime such BS...

I'm wondering why their garage door was open that late at night. I wouldn't even leave a detached garage door open, let alone one that led into my house.

 

That's not what the quote said.

The woman said she’s comfortable enough in the neighborhood that she doesn’t worry about small things, like forgetting to close the garage door. But it was too early to tell if Sunday’s crime had changed her perceptions.

 

Implies that she occasionally forgets to close the garage door, not that they leave it open all the time or that the actors accessed the house in that manner.

Most of the houses here are easy for intruders to get in even all the doors are closed. Not sure if it would have helped even the garage door was closed.

Soft crime will continue to rise across the country. All we can do is prepare for it. The sheep will suffer the most but there will be times where we and our loved ones will be in the wrong place at the wrong time. Where you live really does not matter when it is time it is time.

Soft crime will continue to rise across the country. All we can do is prepare for it. The sheep will suffer the most but there will be times where we and our loved ones will be in the wrong place at the wrong time. Where you live really does not matter when it is time it is time.

 

 

Anthony- It does matter where you live. Up here in Upper Morris/Lower Sussex County we have a lower incidence of crime than in the Inner City and surrounding areas.

 

And just as an added benefit our homes are more defensible. Many times because of distances our "911" response times are a little longer. So self reliance is more important.

Of course the prepared will have a better chance of fending off or avoiding an invasion but many times they are executed by someone who has been in you home already.

Of course the prepared will have a better chance of fending off or avoiding an invasion but many times they are executed by someone who has been in you home already.

 

 

Excellent point Anthony! So glad I'm poor and low key!!

and some people wonder why I walk around my home with my Glock on my hip... gun aint gonna save your a** locked up unloaded in your safe.. the way I figure it... even if they get around the video cameras... and somehow burst into my living room without me seeing them coming up... the fact that I am shooting back at them is going to at least throw a little kink in the plan.. and that alone might buy me enough time to live.. these people were fortunate.. I imagine it could have been way worse..

Looks like we have to train ourself for one against four or five. Looks like a revolver would not be a good choice.

Looks like we have to train ourself for one against four or five. Looks like a revolver would not be a good choice.

 

A hand gun of any sort is always a secondary weapon. A 12 ga. pump on the other hand can often "persuade" more than one perp to turn-around and leave faster than they came in. Stories abound with an unloaded 12 ga. defusing a situation with just racking the action. Works even better when it's loaded

Stories abound with an unloaded 12 ga. defusing a situation with just racking the action.

 

I think those stories are all Hollywood inspired fiction.

 

Perps will either flee or surrender at the sight or sound of any gun or they won't. I've yet to hear of a perp $hitting himself at the sound of a shotgun. I hear shotguns racked all the time, not once did me or anyone around me $hit themselves. I've been gassed off the range before, but that could have been a burrito, not necessarily a loosening due to shotgun action cycling.

I think those stories are all Hollywood inspired fiction.

 

Perps will either flee or surrender at the sight or sound of any gun or they won't. I've yet to hear of a perp $hitting himself at the sound of a shotgun. I hear shotguns racked all the time, not once did me or anyone around me $hit themselves. I've been gassed off the range before, but that could have been a burrito, not necessarily a loosening due to shotgun action cycling.

 

Now that's funny! Back to the fleeing part: Yes, it does work, and I've done it at my house! This was only an attempted break-in. I racked one into battery and the perp took-off like an Olympic runner! Situation diffused before anything really happened. My 12 ga. pump is the "Star Trek Universal Translator" for it breaks ALL language barriers!

I think those stories are all Hollywood inspired fiction.

+1

A hand gun of any sort is always a secondary weapon. A 12 ga. pump on the other hand can often "persuade" more than one perp to turn-around and leave faster than they came in. Stories abound with an unloaded 12 ga. defusing a situation with just racking the action. Works even better when it's loaded

 

I don't sign on to that theory either. Mostly unproven and smacks of folklore. If a noise is going guarantee to scare someone off it would be the sounds of sirens aproaching. If I felt I needed to announce my presence with a person in my house it would be by saying, "I have a gun and the police are on the way."

 

For me, the racking of a shotgun pump would only makes sense if you were in bed, heard a bump and decided to do the "brady Bunch" dad thing by walking downs stairs to check it out.

I think those stories are all Hollywood inspired fiction.

 

Perps will either flee or surrender at the sight or sound of any gun or they won't. I've yet to hear of a perp $hitting himself at the sound of a shotgun. I hear shotguns racked all the time, not once did me or anyone around me $hit themselves. I've been gassed off the range before, but that could have been a burrito, not necessarily a loosening due to shotgun action cycling.

 

Hollywood inspired? Absolutely! Whether it works or not is dependent on the criminal and their intentions obviously, but it doesn't mean it can't be or won't be a deterrent. In fact, the fact that you bring up that it is inspired by movies is a good point. If at any point the 'perp' happens to hear it and think, "crap, I've seen movies where some crazy guy with a shotgun goes crazy on people", and leaves any amount of doubt, then it is already being somewhat effective. Also, the fact you hear shotguns all the time is quite irrelevant. Because when you hear them you are suppose to, you know, being at a range or someplace where people are suppose to be shooting. Maybe if you walked into say, a store, and the clerk racked a shotgun you might have a different experience. I'm not even sure why you brought that up to begin with. If you are telling me that if you were to attempt to rob someone or break into a house and heard someone rack a shotgun and it wouldn't instill any amount of fear or doubt in you, then you are full of crap.

I just posted this on Saiga 12..

 

I have a cx4 carbine full of self defense ammo..

 

light weight... small tight design offer low profile..

stability of a carbine..

ability to accessorize as needed....

accurate on man size targets at 150 yards + with standard sights..

next to no felt recoil..

pistol caliber allowing you to purchase a round suited to your needs.. if you live in an urban area select round and caliber based on minimal over penetration..

 

a handgun is good and all.. but not for an untrained novice.. actually hitting a target with a pistol in the night while holding a flashlight.. under stress.. yeah.. good luck.. on the carbine the flash light is mounted.. and the natural curves of the gun allow you to set it up so it is all so smooth..when I hold my storm my thumb naturally falls on the flashlight..

 

all in all.. for home defense.. under normal circumstances.. a reliable pistol caliber carbine with modern self defense ammo is the way to go.. IMO..

A hand gun of any sort is always a secondary weapon. A 12 ga. pump on the other hand can often "persuade" more than one perp to turn-around and leave faster than they came in. Stories abound with an unloaded 12 ga. defusing a situation with just racking the action. Works even better when it's loaded

 

 

Who said that????? "A handgun is only a means to fight your way to your long gun"

 

And Vlad... If ya have no rugrats, stash loaded guns all over the house. When I'm not wearing pants, paddle holsters pull down my boxers.

 

And Vlad..You bring up more excellent points. Know your home. Know where your threats can occur and your relative position. Lights. I have loads of those light sensing night lights. They are enough to illuminate and IDENTIFY, YES IDENTIFY your target.

Who said that????? "A handgun is only a means to fight your way to your long gun"

 

And Vlad... If ya have no rugrats, stash loaded guns all over the house. When I'm not wearing pants, paddle holsters pull down my boxers.

 

 

no kids.. when in the house I have a glock 27 on a paddle with retention.. I have worn this rig at family outings and interactions.. have carried kids.. while I understand you can not leave loaded guns around in a house full of kids.. I see no issue carrying a small unobtrusive pistol providing it is holstered in a way that removes any kind of accidental contact with little ones..

Who said that????? "A handgun is only a means to fight your way to your long gun"

 

 

Jeff Cooper?

Hollywood inspired? Absolutely! Whether it works or not is dependent on the criminal and their intentions obviously, but it doesn't mean it can't be or won't be a deterrent. In fact, the fact that you bring up that it is inspired by movies is a good point. If at any point the 'perp' happens to hear it and think, "crap, I've seen movies where some crazy guy with a shotgun goes crazy on people", and leaves any amount of doubt, then it is already being somewhat effective. Also, the fact you hear shotguns all the time is quite irrelevant. Because when you hear them you are suppose to, you know, being at a range or someplace where people are suppose to be shooting. Maybe if you walked into say, a store, and the clerk racked a shotgun you might have a different experience. I'm not even sure why you brought that up to begin with. If you are telling me that if you were to attempt to rob someone or break into a house and heard someone rack a shotgun and it wouldn't instill any amount of fear or doubt in you, then you are full of crap.

 

That about sums it up! And like I said, I've already DONE IT and it WORKS! Not just armchair quarterbacking! First hand experience, not folklore or BS!

 

Talk is cheap, I've LIVED IT!

Jeff Cooper?

Yes Col. Jeff Cooper.

Jeff Cooper?

 

Beat me to the answer! He came out with that line around the same time he designed the short-action .308 of his.

Beat me to the answer! He came out with that line around the same time he designed the short-action .308 of his.

Ahh the modern sporter rifle!

I say we have home invasion practice. We pick an anonymous name out of a hat and try to invade their abode.

 

Any volunteers to do the invasion? And FU Anthony, we're not putting you name in the hat!!!...LOL

I say we have home invasion practice. We pick an anonymous name out of a hat and try to invade their abode.

 

Any volunteers to do the invasion? And FU Anthony, we're not putting you name in the hat!!!...LOL

LMFAO! Even my dog has a gun!

Kudos to you--- At least I don't hear your community crying "Hate Crime"

 

That's cuz it happened to Asians and not African-Americans.......

That about sums it up! And like I said, I've already DONE IT and it WORKS! Not just armchair quarterbacking! First hand experience, not folklore or BS!

 

Talk is cheap, I've LIVED IT!

 

But you racked a shotty with a burglar outside. There is nothing that say he wouldn't have run if you just said "hey you."

 

The point is, does it always work. I don't beleive it.