I over heard a conversation the other day at the Ramsey Outdoor store. A guy asked if he could put his handgun on consignment at the store. The guy behind the counter (an NRA trainer) said yes, however, be warned that if the gun doesn't sell you will need a new handgun purchaser permit to get it back. Leaving it at the store "on consignment" is considered a transfer and you can't get it back without the new permit. I could not believe what I was hearing and confirmed the conversation after the guy left the counter.

You gotta love Jersey!!!!!!!!

the same thing happen to me once. Live and learn.

Wow, I never even thought about that. I don't think I'd ever do that but that's good to know so thanks.

ah, that is NOT true. you have to go thru a nics check. I specificaly asked the NJ state police about that not too long ago. Unless you are precluded from ownership, the nics check is it, your are the owner of the gun

However this is NJ and that can be changed at anyone's whim...and the SP told me that

Not only do you need a PP for return , but if more than one you have the dreaded 30 day wait. I was called by SP because I waited 28 days to get my own returned that were on consignment in a shop that I was working at.I did not argue the point, just let it go. The SP Louie gave me a break. Not to prosecute on 28 days. Did not even explain that they were my own handguns!

Initially I was going to call BS on this needing a P2P to get back you own hand gun but you guys have added a large degree of credability.

 

This is all the more reason we need the current suit against the NJSP to be successful.

I thought I remembered something in writing on this very topic (which agreed with the concensus here - you need a P2P to get a gun off consignment), but I can't find it. Maybe PK90 will weigh in, or one of the other FFL holders on the board.

 

Adios,

 

Pizza Bob

Found it. It's in the Administrative Code...

 

N.J.A.C. 13:54-3.20 Consignment firearms placed at licensed retail firearms dealers

Consignment firearms are firearms that are transferred by the legal owner (consignor) of the firearm to a licensed retail firearms dealer (consignee) for the purpose of resale. Licensed retail firearms dealers that receive firearms on consignment shall provide a receipt/invoice to the consigner with a full description of the firearms, including make, model, caliber and serial number.

The licensed retail firearms dealer shall also provide in writing on the same receipt/invoice a statement indicating that any consignor requesting the return of a firearm shall be required to comply with the regulatory provisions of N.J.S.A. 2C:58-3 for the transfer of handguns and rifles or shotguns. Consignment handguns, rifles, or shotguns shall not be returned to the consignor without the consigner first producing a valid permit to purchase a handgun, or in the case of a rifle or shotgun, a New Jersey firearms purchaser identification card and completing a State of New Jersey Certificate of Eligibility form (SP 634), which is used for eligibility verification and contains a list of disqualifications for the cosigner.

 

Wow good to know.Looks like I wont be selling any pistols that way.

I am new to this concept, selling a pistol? LOL

 

Gotta love NJ.

well so much for the call to the NJSP, amazing how THEY don't even know the law.

Next thing you know NJ is going to require a P2P to get your gun back from a gunsmith or warrantee repair. Sounds insane don't it...... But don't put it past our extreem left state government

yeah, this is not the first time this was brought up either. The question last time was regarding a return to the manufacture which did not warrant another p2p. But if the firearm is not being sent out through the retailer and is going on sale as inventory, then the store has to treat it like they own it, IE it goes down in the books and the only way to get it out is with a valid p2p. Look at is this way, you have a firearm and you have to transfer it to the store in order for them to sell it... if not then you would have to come in and physically sell the gun to the buyer. The store also become liable for the firearm. In some instances this a good thing, just a PITA.

I already knew this and it makes sense to me. When it goes on consignment, it's on their books. No different from a transfer really. More than one gun just get's a exemption form.

 

 

 

is there a term limit on how long you have to use the exemption? i.e. you put three guns on consignment and apply for the exemption to get them back. Let's say you get the forms back and sit on them. Now let's say 6 months goes by and they don't sell. You use the form with your 3 pp and get your guns back.

I don't like this at all, it seems all these laws could hurt gun shops business, ogam, now this? pretty wack!

Correct, what bryan said. This has been around for a while now iirc.

 

Anytime you hand your gun over to the FFL, it is logged on their books. Need a PPP to pick it up.

 

Then again, why place a gun on consignment and pick it up? Either leave it there... or sell it here. =P

Correct, what bryan said. This has been around for a while now iirc.

 

Anytime you hand your gun over to the FFL, it is logged on their books. Need a PPP to pick it up.

 

Then again, why place a gun on consignment and pick it up? Either leave it there... or sell it here. =P

 

+1

I don't like this at all, it seems all these laws could hurt gun shops business, ogam, now this? pretty wack!

It may hurt gun shops but it helps private sellers. If you were to walk in a store and sell your firearm you would get way less money then if you put it up for consignment if it sells. Depending on the store they may take a percentage of the sale. In the end the store and seller get there fair share. I'm not really sure why people just outright sell guns to shops they, low ball you. I would opt for a private sale, if it doesn't sell then consignment. I've been in a store and the sales associate didn't even want to buy a gun off a guy because he said he could get way more for it in a private sale. The idea with consignment is that the firearm will sell, if doesn't it is just a risk the seller has to take, the store should go over all this when or if you do it so there aren't any surprises.

but that's what I mean consignment would help the seller and shop make some money, but I think a seller might avoid doing it if they have to get a permit if it doesn't sell... I don't know...but it looks like it's a way the state gets more moola with pp fees...

A consignment is a legal transfer. The shop puts it on their books. Only ONE way in NJ for a shop to do a transfer (even back to original owner), so this whole subject is a no-brainer.

 

Either sell the gun to the shop or sell it privately. Or don't be unrealistic in your consignment price minimum. Keep in mind that shops can buy & sell on Gun Broker too, so even if they can't "move" the gun locally, they can sell it across the USA and ship it to a designated FFL.

I don't like this at all, it seems all these laws could hurt gun shops business, ogam, now this? pretty wack!

this has been in place for ages..it's NOT anything new. The Gun Shop CANNOT transfer the firearm to someone else unless it has already been transferred to THEM. That is why they have seperate books for Sales/Consignment, and Repairs. One is a Temporary transfer with the intent for the firearm to be returned to the owner, the other is not.

A consignment is a legal transfer. The shop puts it on their books. Only ONE way in NJ for a shop to do a transfer (even back to original owner), so this whole subject is a no-brainer.

 

Either sell the gun to the shop or sell it privately. Or don't be unrealistic in your consignment price minimum. Keep in mind that shops can buy & sell on Gun Broker too, so even if they can't "move" the gun locally, they can sell it across the USA and ship it to a designated FFL.

This is just more NJ BS, and to some extent ATF BS. While it is a legal transfer, so is when you drop off a firearm for cleaning or repair, either way you still own it (until it's sold under consignment). You don't need a PP to pick up YOUR repaired handgun.

This is just more NJ BS, and to some extent ATF BS. While it is a legal transfer, so is when you drop off a firearm for cleaning or repair, either way you still own it (until it's sold under consignment). You don't need a PP to pick up YOUR repaired handgun.

 

No, you DONT own it if it under Consignment. the FFL CANNOT transfer a firearm if it does not belong to THEM..in order to sell it it HAS to be Transferred to THEM, go on THEIR Book. The difference is that you are only authorizing the 'Smith to do that repair..it is a temporary transfer with the intent of BOTH parties to return the firearm to the Owner..not to transfer it to another party, which is why (And being both an FFL and a Smith Paul can confirm this) there are TWO Bound Books..a Transfer Book, and a Repair Book. It is what it is..it's nothing new and it is the way it is done EVERYWHERE..the difference is that NJ has the permit requirement. it Sucks Yes...but this is a mixture of ATF regs and NJ stupidity, with the stupidity coming to the top.

No, you DONT own it if it under Consignment. the FFL CANNOT transfer a firearm if it does not belong to THEM..in order to sell it it HAS to be Transferred to THEM, go on THEIR Book. The difference is that you are only authorizing the 'Smith to do that repair..it is a temporary transfer with the intent of BOTH parties to return the firearm to the Owner..not to transfer it to another party, which is why (And being both an FFL and a Smith Paul can confirm this) there are TWO Bound Books..a Transfer Book, and a Repair Book. It is what it is..it's nothing new and it is the way it is done EVERYWHERE..the difference is that NJ has the permit requirement. it Sucks Yes...but this is a mixture of ATF regs and NJ stupidity, with the stupidity coming to the top.

 

Any further questions??

 

Thanks Pipes.

Any further questions??

 

Thanks Pipes.

 

Im about done beating my head against the wall on this one..the Squishing noise is getting annoying I need a damn Beer

No, you DONT own it if it under Consignment. the FFL CANNOT transfer a firearm if it does not belong to THEM..in order to sell it it HAS to be Transferred to THEM, go on THEIR Book. The difference is that you are only authorizing the 'Smith to do that repair..it is a temporary transfer with the intent of BOTH parties to return the firearm to the Owner..not to transfer it to another party, which is why (And being both an FFL and a Smith Paul can confirm this) there are TWO Bound Books..a Transfer Book, and a Repair Book. It is what it is..it's nothing new and it is the way it is done EVERYWHERE..the difference is that NJ has the permit requirement. it Sucks Yes...but this is a mixture of ATF regs and NJ stupidity, with the stupidity coming to the top.

I'm not questioning the validity of what your saying, I'm aware of the repair book vs the transfer book and that this has been in effect for some time, and that it comes from the ATF. The point I was making is that the FFL has not compensated you for it until it's sold (unlike when you sell it to them outright), and you control the selling price, and the dealer does not collect sales tax on it because he is merely brokering the deal. This, in the real world, makes it still your property not the dealers, even if the ATF by definition says it's not. As you said, sucks and stupid

Soooooooo... If you want to sell a handgun at a local shop can you drop it off to be "repaired", they put it on display with a note that it needs to be repaired, heck, take a screw out of it to make it look "legit", and when a potential buyer wants it, do a transfer to the shop and then they can sell it? While it is there for "repair" the original owner still retains posession of it and can walk away with it at anytime?

 

Listen, that is a bunch of BS to go through, but this state is just full of BS.

 

I bought a few handguns in a gun shop from one of their employees and it was done as a face to face deal like a long gun except that I also needed to have a valid handgun purchase permit, which I did. No tax, no NICS, NICE!