I was just browsing around online and came across this stock. Do you think it would be considered NJ legal for an M1A without having to replace the flash suppressor for a muzzle break? I'm not sure if the grip is considered a pistol grip or not.

 

ProMag Archangel M1A Precision Stock Black

IMHO I don't think that would be a problem, but I don't think this stock will help in accuracy dept. I believe m1a have their actions bedded or fit to the stock they are in now. I'm pretty sure I read that in the owners manual. I doubt you would get the same fit out of this stock. Now I think it looks awesome but that gun is pretty accurate for what it is out of the box.

I would say that counts as a pistol grip, so the flash hider would have to go. Also it mentions having an adjustable length of pull which would make it collapsible and need to be pinned.

IMHO I don't think that would be a problem, but I don't think this stock will help in accuracy dept. I believe m1a have their actions bedded or fit to the stock they are in now. I'm pretty sure I read that in the owners manual. I doubt you would get the same fit out of this stock. Now I think it looks awesome but that gun is pretty accurate for what it is out of the box.

 

The reason I was considering it was because it has features that I would like to add to my M1A when I put a scope on it. Such as a cheek riser, QD stud for a bipod, and the grip is "like" a pistol grip.

sure the stock is legal. No thats not a pistol grip, it is not seperate from the butt stock, but part of it. ie a conventional stock

In YOUR mind it's not a pistol grip. Honestly, I wouldn't get that stock just to be on the safe side. I personally don't think it's a pistol grip either, but you never know what a prosecuting attorney is going to think/do.

In YOUR mind it's not a pistol grip. Honestly, I wouldn't get that stock just to be on the safe side. I personally don't think it's a pistol grip either, but you never know what a prosecuting attorney is going to think/do.

 

That's what I'm thinking now. I'll just add the QD stud and get a cheek riser for the existing stock. I really don't want to change from the flash suppressor to a muzzle break. Just a little too risky for NJ.

when I google "promag" in reference to quality the responses are enough to know I would not purchase that unit...

In YOUR mind it's not a pistol grip. Honestly, I wouldn't get that stock just to be on the safe side. I personally don't think it's a pistol grip either, but you never know what a prosecuting attorney is going to think/do.

I understand the air on the side of caution theory but they don't consider a thumbhole stock a pistol grip I doubt this would be an issue

I understand the air on the side of caution theory but they don't consider a thumbhole stock a pistol grip I doubt this would be an issue

 

 

"Pistol grip" means a well defined handle, similar to that found on a handgun, that protrudes

conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon, and which permits the firearm to be held and fired

with one hand.

 

this is not a thumbhole stock.. as there is no hole.. the reason I said it is close.. is because it is really just an exaggerated stock with the hand portion formed into a pistol grip..

I understand the air on the side of caution theory but they don't consider a thumbhole stock a pistol grip I doubt this would be an issue

Who are "they", and please provide proof that they don't consider it a pistol grip. Just because the BATFE doesn't consider a thumbhole stock a pistol grip, doesn't mean that NJ doesn't consider it a pistol grip.

this is not a thumbhole stock.. as there is no hole.. the reason I said it is close.. is because it is really just an exaggerated stock with the hand portion formed into a pistol grip..

I understand this isn't a thumbhole what I meant was it's legal to purchase a firearm in new jersey with a thumbhole which is along the same lines of a pistol grip theory so I personally don't see this being illegal however this is in no way legal advice

Who are "they", and please provide proof that they don't consider it a pistol grip. Just because the BATFE doesn't consider a thumbhole stock a pistol grip, doesn't mean that NJ doesn't consider it a pistol grip.

So we don't follow the BATFE on stocks but if they say an item is a compensator we will walk around with that little piece of paper in our rifle case to wave around if someone has doubt, that's all I'm saying

I understand this isn't a thumbhole what I meant was it's legal to purchase a firearm in new jersey with a thumbhole which is along the same lines of a pistol grip theory so I personally don't see this being illegal however this is in no way legal advice

 

I have a thumbhole stock on my CX4 carbine.. but that is ONE evil feature.. not two... you can have thumbhole.. but it is still a pistol grip..... so if you are playing the evil features game.. his M1 has a flash hider..

 

cx4 with thumbhole - legal detachable mag and ONE evil feature...

 

M1a with this setup - illegal detachable mag and TWO evil features.. pistol grip and the factory installed flash hider..

 

if it were a clear thumbhole I might agree since it is so far to the rear of the action.... I do not find it to be conspicuously beneath the action.. but its pistol shape is so exaggerated and defined that I have a hard time not considering it a PG..

So we don't follow the BATFE on stocks but if they say an item is a compensator we will walk around with that little piece of paper in our rifle case to wave around if someone has doubt, that's all I'm saying

You can have a firearm that does not break federal law, but still breaks state law. They are two separate entities, and laws from both must be obeyed. This is pretty simple stuff dude... Just because the BATFE doesn't consider it a pistol grip does not mean NJ doesn't consider it one. BATFE can call it whatever they want, the state of NJ can charge you.

Goodness gracious, none of that is right.

 

By "that" I mean all these strange "laws."

I get what you're saying, I was just simply offering my input on the idea of this stock

I get what you're saying, I was just simply offering my input on the idea of this stock

 

 

oh I hear you.. and I think that is maybe where we crossed signals..

 

 

a thumbhole stock is PERFECTLY legal..

 

but I STILL think it is counted as a PG in NJ.. meaning I CAN have one on my CX4 storm (which does not have any other "evil features".. but I CAN'T have it on my Saiga 12 because a PG on a semi auto shotgun is illegal..

 

so it is not the stock itself.. the splitting hairs point comes in when you are deciding as to if it counts as PG or not.. which IMO in THIS state.. it does..

 

no hard feelings intended..

None taken isn't that the beauty of forums allowing us the ability to all voice our opinions, were this rifle used in say an assault on another human being I would lean to believe the PRNJ would most definitely try and slam you any which way calling it a pistol grip and such and evil and deadly weapon. Used conventionally at the range you could be surrounded by police and I'd venture to think none would bat an eye. Again I understand the air on the side of caution part