So I'm lookin for a rail for the bottum I dont want it for optics. I have looked at a lot of the the options I like the looks of the Midwest rail system. I have heard that the rails screwed to the barrel can affect accuracy...thats no good. I was wondering what truth there was to this and other options maybe tapco but Im not huge on platic I want maximum durablility. Knowing how hot the rifle gets Im not sure the plastic will hold up?? I dont want hearsay, only people that own them and have beat them up.

I ran ultimak rail on Saiga and it was solid built like a tank... but truth of the matter is bottom rail is unnecessary and makes gun less user friendly IMO..

 

what are you using this rail for? because I have Saigas.. and I run optic.. flashlight... etc.. without big clunky rail.. gun is slimmer and faster to maneuver..

I was lookin to run a trirail with magpull angled grip and a flashlight. Ive handled one built this way and like the feel but I dont want to get a rail that is going to melt or going to reduce accruacy or reliability. Ive looked at a lot of options just wana know whats is better or worse for what reasons?

I was lookin to run a trirail with magpull angled grip and a flashlight. Ive handled one built this way and like the feel but I dont want to get a rail that is going to melt or going to reduce accruacy or reliability. Ive looked at a lot of options just wana know whats is better or worse for what reasons?

 

 

been there done that... in the later version the gun is far smoother to operate.. it is very ergonomic...

 

think about it.. you are adding a rail.. so you can mount a light to the side of it.. and then put another grip on the bottom to get your hand to be in a place of comfort.. allowing use of light.. with second version I have done.. my hand almost falls in the same spot.. minus all that weight and girth of the huge trirail..

 

version 2.0

 

 

Saiga 7.62x39

Ace Internal Block

Ace Stock

Hogue Pistol Grip

Tapco FCG

Surefire Magazine (15rd I live in NJ)

Ultimak Hand Guard

Magpul AFG

Viking Tactics G2 Light Mount

Surefire G2

Viking Tactics Low Profile Swivel Mount With Quick Release

Ultimak Gas Tube

Aimpoint H1

 

 

same gun.. like version 4.0.. lol

 

 

Ace Stock

Ace Internal Block

Dinzag Tapco G2 FCG

Hogue Grip

Tromix Bolt On Charging Handle

Surefire 15 Round Magazine

Kvar Lower Handguard

CSS Lower Handguard Retainer

Ultimak Gas Tube

Vltor Quick Release Flashlight Mount

Surefire G2

Aimpoint H1

yeah somthin like that but like I said I dont want plastic on the barrel I know it will melt it just gets to hot, I would like some specs about hand guards. Weight, price, how it attaches, have you found it to change accuracy, or damage the rifle, how about fit and finish.

yeah somthin like that but like I said I dont want plastic on the barrel I know it will melt it just gets to hot, I would like some specs about hand guards. Weight, price, how it attaches, have you found it to change accuracy, or damage the rifle, how about fit and finish.

 

a little as far as accuracy goes... my use of this gun is run and gun.. this is a COM -200 yard rifle for me.. meaning I am moving.. changing distances.. and shooting.. not a ton of bench shooting..

I noticed no change in accuracy with any setup I have run on this gun.. but as stated.. my use of this rifle is specific..

 

the rail is made of metal..

the hand guard is made of plastic..

BOTH have seen a LOT of fire... and neither showed any signs of weakening..

 

as stated.. get a rail if you like.. I did.. but for mounting a flashlight I feel the new setup I run is like 1 million times better faster and lighter..

 

unfortunately I have no "hard data" because when I made the change I was already committed to doing so.. also.. metal rail hanging on the front of the gun had a tendency to make the gun a little front heavy.. not unbearable.. not a problem.. but just put a tad too much weight up front.. gun feels far more balanced now..

 

 

neither hand guard damaged the rifle in any way.. both had perfect fit and finish.. no complaints about either... rail was just overkill.. and overkill is good if there is a use.. but in this situation.. I would say you could accomplish the same utilizing a traditional AK hand guard (to your liking.. ) couple with ultimak gas tube (gas tube with rail section on it) and an offset light mount attached..... and shoot the gun..

 

it honestly sounds like you were after exactly what I was..

Yeah this is going to be my shtf gun so I need it to work all the time super cold super hot dropped thrown slammed and so on. That is the reason for no red dot they are just to flimsy and I hate havin to use batteries. I am lovin the look of the mid west hand guard in dark earth dont really know why just cuz its tacticool for me but not sure of its quality after bein beat up. I like the looks of tapco stuff but I just dont think that it will hold up in super hot. Ive also seen little trirail that attach right to the barrel if I wanted to keep the stock platic hand guards, any clues as to the quality of these little rails.

Side not vlad havin the flashlight up that high, doesnt it block some view of target area when lookin down the sights...id like to get mind under or next to the barrel know any good mounts?? Ive heard good things about vltors stuff...what are some other good metal options.

the rail on my gun is metal.. (in the new version the flashlight is mounted to the ultimak gas tube.. a gas tube with a welded integrated rail.. the vltor flashlight mount is metal.. the aimpoint red dot is metal.. the ace stock is metal.. that red dot is rock solid.. and will last ON continuously for a year +... it is not some junk.. high end red dots are EXTREMELY reliable.. but expect to pay $400+ I build EVERY gun I own for function.. not look.. my guns are used and abused.. I run them to failure so I know what to expect.. ironically.. the position of the flashlight illuminates the target just fine.. and coincidentally also illuminates the front sight post (did I mention that my red dot setup allows for real time co-witness of my irons.. if my red dot were to fail.. no need to even flinch.. your irons are right there.. already completely visible.. the gun runs.. and it runs good..

 

not my first or only Saiga...

 

http://njgunforums.com/forum/index.php?/topic/21787-saiga-conversion-information/

Yeah your rifle looks good love the vltor stuff Ive seen the ultimac rail. The red dot thing doesnt work for me im a fan of eotechs but they are huge. Im lookin at the midwest us palm ml2 ak rails what do you think of their products?

Yeah your rifle looks good love the vltor stuff Ive seen the ultimac rail. The red dot thing doesnt work for me im a fan of eotechs but they are huge. Im lookin at the midwest us palm ml2 ak rails what do you think of their products?

 

 

I do not have any personal experience with that product.. but it at least looks smaller and lighter.. it just seems like a lot of effort and product to hold the gun in an unnatural way while mounting a light... I am not knocking you.. it all coming down to individual user.. and you should get what is most appealing.. but I still question the logic.. having shot with an AFG equipped AK I just didn't end up using it all that much.. the best part about the AFG was that it put my hand in natural position to operate my light.. but once I changed the setup.. no more need for AFG..

 

here is a good picture of me not using the AFG.. lol at full length out far where it was designed to be used.. I do not find it comfortable on the AK platform.. and then in close I ended up normally being on the mag.. like I said the ONLY time I used it was operating the light.. but the new setup without the trirail works muck easier..

 

good luck with whatever you go with.. post some pictures of the gun and give a review.. it is nice to hear product reviews.. might want to check with arms and ammo he may have some rail systems in stock for your gun..