From reading old threads in the forum I was under the impression hollow point were perfectly legal as long as they weren't used in the commission of a crime. Just stumbled upon njguninfo.com and it was saying they can't be used in self defense in the home. I'm new to guns so just wondering if it's just total BS? Seems crazy that I can buy it and use it at the range but I can't use it for self defense. I'll try to post a link.

 

 

My link

BS. Use them as you please at home.

 

As an aside, try and find the laws in the criminal code, not some random website. Ive heard everything under the sun made up about NJ laws. A simple breeze through here http://www.nj.gov/njsp/about/fire_ag2.html should answer your questions.

You can use them, however if you used them in self defense and get screwed by nj some how and were found guilty of murder the hollow points would dig your grave deeper that's why people say you "cant". However ammo like hornady critical defense which has some sort of silicone or rubber placed in the hollow point hole its not considered a hollow point by law. Now you dont suffer the legal consequence and can still get the same effect of a hollow point.

... ammo like hornady critical defense which has some sort of silicone or rubber placed in the hollow point hole its not considered a hollow point by law...

Will congealed bacon grease suffice in Nosler 185jhp?

You can use them, however if you used them in self defense and get screwed by nj some how and were found guilty of murder the hollow points would dig your grave deeper that's why people say you "cant". However ammo like hornady critical defense which has some sort of silicone or rubber placed in the hollow point hole its not considered a hollow point by law. Now you dont suffer the legal consequence and can still get the same effect of a hollow point.

 

And you need to remember that if you're found guilty of murder, a hollow point charge isn't going to mean jack ****.

 

OP, use whatever round you trust the most at home.

I'll add this to my growing list of NJ gun myths.

I'll add this to my growing list of NJ gun myths.

 

Can you post this "list"?

WE WANT THE LIST !!! :mail:

Will congealed bacon grease suffice in Nosler 185jhp?

 

IMO would work fine; as well as provide for a delicious aroma post firing. There's not much that bacon or bacon products cannot do. Kinda like duct tape.

And you need to remember that if you're found guilty of murder, a hollow point charge isn't going to mean jack ****.

 

OP, use whatever round you trust the most at home.

 

 

Ha good point. There's def a lot of bad information out there. Thanks for clearing that up guys.

On that same page is an ad for; "Turkey Hunting Rifles." The ad clearly depicts a shotgun. I wonder where those "rifles" fit in here in New Jersey for hunting turkeys? (I know, I'm nitpicking.)

 

 

I believe less than half of what I read on the internet these days unless it's from a reliable source I know.

That website is soooooo full of FAIL, that I can't begin to enumerate. There is also no contact info, so there is no one to hold accountable.

 

We have a tough enough row-to-hoe here in NJ without someone, purportedly on our side, spreading this kind of misinformation and making it sound official. Imagine the first time, or experienced, person stumbling on this site and - hey, it was on the Internet, it must be true. Just makes my blood boil - and all the worse because you can't "call" them on it.

 

JMHO

 

Adios,

 

Pizza Bob

That website is soooooo full of FAIL, that I can't begin to enumerate. There is also no contact info, so there is no one to hold accountable.

 

We have a tough enough row-to-hoe here in NJ without someone, purportedly on our side, spreading this kind of misinformation and making it sound official. Imagine the first time, or experienced, person stumbling on this site and - hey, it was on the Internet, it must be true. Just makes my blood boil - and all the worse because you can't "call" them on it.

 

JMHO

 

Adios,

 

Pizza Bob

Just look up who the website is registered to and go from there: njguninfo

Just look up who the website is registered to and go from there: njguninfo

 

OR, just look at the bottom of the home page of the original link. It's a forum sponsor...

Mastadon

 

Just more reason not to believe anything they tell you at the LGS.

I'll add this to my growing list of NJ gun myths.

 

if you are housing that list on your computer I would like to recommend upgrading to a 500TB hard drive.. since that list is going to be fairly long when you are done..

That website is soooooo full of FAIL, that I can't begin to enumerate. There is also no contact info, so there is no one to hold accountable.

 

 

 

Here's another one discussing cartridge capacity of semi-automatics.

 

http://www.allguninfo.com/html/round_capacity.html

A SEMI AUTOMATIC RIFLE that has the ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least 2 of the following are NOT allowed:

 

1. A folding or telescoping stock; UNLESS PERMANENTLY PINNED AT FULL EXT.

 

There is also some other misinformation about the transport of guns evoking Paul's hated "Separate".

Found another good one

A SEMI AUTOMATIC SHOTGUN can NOT have any of the following:

4. An ability to accept a detachable magazine

Wrong, someone needs to go back and do some more reading

Ok, I get it now.

 

Joseph Gallo who owns NJguninfo also owns the Mastadonammo.com domain.

 

This means it's Joe of Mastadon. I know that guy, heh. Former LEO. I didn't know his last name.

Ok, I get it now.

 

Joseph Gallo who owns NJguninfo also owns the Mastadonammo.com domain.

 

This means it's Joe of Mastadon. I know that guy, heh. Former LEO. I didn't know his last name.

 

 

Not sure that's correct (although I confess to being technically challenged) - it seems that Mastadon is advertising on that website. If you go to the twitter link in Parkers post, it appears that Mastadon is thanking Joe Gallo. Could be wrong, but that's how it appears to this untrained eye.

 

Adios,

 

Pizza Bob

Registrant:

Joseph Gallo

 

Registered through: GoDaddy.com, Inc. (http://www.godaddy.com)

Domain Name: ALLGUNINFO.COM

 

 

Registrant:

Joseph Gallo

 

Registered through: GoDaddy.com, Inc. (http://www.godaddy.com)

Domain Name: MASTODONAMMO.COM

OR, just look at the bottom of the home page of the original link. It's a forum sponsor...

 

 

That's actually how I came across the site. Just browsing the sponsor's links.

2C:39-3 f.Dum-dum or body armor penetrating bullets. (1) Any person, other than a law enforcement officer or persons engaged in activities pursuant to subsection f. of N.J.S.2C:39-6, who knowingly has in his possession any hollow nose or dum-dum bullet, or (2) any person, other than a collector of firearms or ammunition as curios or relics as defined in Title 18, United States Code, section 921 (a) (13) and has in his possession a valid Collector of Curios and Relics License issued by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, who knowingly has in his possession any body armor breaching or penetrating ammunition, which means: (a) ammunition primarily designed for use in a handgun, and (b) which is comprised of a bullet whose core or jacket, if the jacket is thicker than.025 of an inch, is made of tungsten carbide, or hard bronze, or other material which is harder than a rating of 72 or greater on the Rockwell B. Hardness Scale, and © is therefore capable of breaching or penetrating body armor, is guilty of a crime of the fourth degree. For purposes of this section, a collector may possess not more than three examples of each distinctive variation of the ammunition described above. A distinctive variation includes a different head stamp, composition, design, or color.

 

2C:39-3 g (2) a. Nothing in subsection f. (1) shall be construed to prevent a person from keeping such ammunition at his dwelling, premises or other land owned or possessed by him, or from carrying such ammunition from the place of purchase to said dwelling or land, nor shall subsection f. (1) be construed to prevent any licensed retail or wholesale firearms dealer from possessing such ammunition at its licensed premises, provided that the seller of any such ammunition shall maintain a record of the name, age and place of residence of any purchaser who is not a licensed dealer, together with the date of sale and quantity of ammunition sold.

 

2C:39-6 f.Nothing in subsections b., c. and d. of N.J.S.2C:39-5 shall be construed to prevent:

 

(1)A member of any rifle or pistol club organized in accordance with the rules prescribed by the National Board for the Promotion of Rifle Practice, in going to or from a place of target practice, carrying such firearms as are necessary for said target practice, provided that the club has filed a copy of its charter with the superintendent and annually submits a list of its members to the superintendent and provided further that the firearms are carried in the manner specified in subsection g. of this section;

 

(2)A person carrying a firearm or knife in the woods or fields or upon the waters of this State for the purpose of hunting, target practice or fishing, provided that the firearm or knife is legal and appropriate for hunting or fishing purposes in this State and he has in his possession a valid hunting license, or, with respect to fresh water fishing, a valid fishing license;

 

(3)A person transporting any firearm or knife while traveling:

(a)Directly to or from any place for the purpose of hunting or fishing, provided the person has in his possession a valid hunting or fishing license; or

 

(b) Directly to or from any target range, or other authorized place for the purpose of practice, match, target, trap or skeet shooting exhibitions, provided in all cases that during the course of the travel all firearms are carried in the manner specified in subsection g. of this section and the person has complied with all the provisions and requirements of Title 23 of the Revised Statutes and any amendments thereto and all rules and regulations promulgated thereunder; or

 

( c ) In the case of a firearm, directly to or from any exhibition or display of firearms which is sponsored by any law enforcement agency, any rifle or pistol club, or any firearms collectors club, for the purpose of displaying the firearms to the public or to the members of the organization or club, provided, however, that not less than 30 days prior to the exhibition or display, notice of the exhibition or display shall be given to the Superintendent of the State Police by the sponsoring organization or club, and the sponsor has complied with such reasonable safety regulations as the superintendent may promulgate. Any firearms transported pursuant to this section shall be transported in the manner specified in subsection g. of this section;

 

(4) A person from keeping or carrying about a private or commercial aircraft or any boat, or from transporting to or from such vessel for the purpose of installation or repair a visual distress signaling device approved by the United States Coast Guard.

 

 

I don't see anything prohibiting the use of hollow nose ammunition for self-defense in the home.

 

The mere question, however, emphasizes the point that we need a stronger Castle Doctrine in NJ. One which has criminal and civil immunity. I think if there is any danger in using hollow nose ammunition for self-defense in the home, it is in how it would be viewed in civil court.

I don't see anything prohibiting the use of hollow nose ammunition for self-defense in the home.

The mere question, however, emphasizes the point that we need a stronger Castle Doctrine in NJ. One which has criminal and civil immunity. I think if there is any danger in using hollow nose ammunition for self-defense in the home, it is in how it would be viewed in civil court.

 

Is there a revision bill for the NJ Castle Doctrine being pushed now?

As we all know, the NJ State Laws are written in in a very unclear manner to a certain extent and are purposely left unclear, in order to allow the Prosecutors as much latitude as possible. It does not serve them well to be cut and dry, or black and white in their language as it pertains to firearms. It has been stated time and again, that those dealing and engaging in firearms sports do so at their own peril.

 

For instance, in my experience throughout my 26 year career in law enforcement, everyone (except active LEOs), who was found to be in possession of hollow nose rounds chambered, was charged with same, whether in the course of a crime or not. Which opens another door... If you use your hollow points to defend yourself in your home... Is someone going to flip the proverbial coin and use it against you? Remember the fact that you decided to use a more "lethal round" while protecting yourself, which could and probably would appear in someones eyes as over the top. You just never know. Therefore, my interpretation of the hollow point laws are based on a "Real World" scenarios. My intent was and remains to make NJGunInfo.com a site that provides an easy to understand breakdown of facts that you will need to know when planning to purchase a firearm in the State of New Jersey, or to keep you out of trouble if you are already an active gun owner. I am aware of the fact that there are some things that need to be changed within it's content and my plan is to make these changes as they are brought to my attention. I have already spoken with someone from the thread who is willing to assist with making this happen. I invite any and all who wish to participate as well. Feel free to tear it apart and contact me personally with any ideas. I also have no problem with pulling the site down temporarily while drafting a new version. The domain name is in place and is perfectly suited for it's intended use. It would be great to have something like this once and for all. I also would like to invite anyone from this Forum to place an ad banner for their business free of charge. Now to clear up the identity issues... Yes the site is owned by me personally (Joe Gallo)... Not Mastodon. Yes I am partners in Mastodon. Yes I am former Law Enforcement. No I do not appreciate the "HEH" reflected in this public venue when referring to my law enforcement background, as I am proud to have served the public for so long and have have placed myself in numerous extreme life threatening situations throughout. I would rather be reached by cell phone at 201-206-6430 so as not to tie up the business line, or by e-mail at [email protected] with any input in regards to the site changes. You can also stop at the shop any time for a cup of coffee and to chat.

 

 

This means it's Joe of Mastadon. I know that guy, heh. Former LEO.

 

Whaddya mean by this? As I read it it reads one way, and I like to think it is that way, but when I say it out loud it comes across another....

 

Are you intimating that Joe is full of schite and doesn't know his rectum from his elbow cause he is a just another stupid LEO??

 

I do not want to read more into it, I would really like it if you could take the time and express what you meant....

it could just mean that you are surprised that it was him and that he was a LEO...

 

But I cant see how that would be the case because you have been in the shop a few times, spoke with Joe, did well with what you were doing etc

You must have seen his commendations and his 'love me' stuff on the wall....

 

Looking forward to your thoughts if you care to share them.....

Yes I am partners in Mastodon. Yes I am former Law Enforcement. No I do not appreciate the "HEH" reflected in this public venue when referring to my law enforcement background,

 

Joe, the "heh" was not that you're former leo, it was that "I know that guy". I wasn't in any way trying to detract from your career as in Law enforcement and I apologize if it came across that way.

Whaddya mean by this? As I read it it reads one way, and I like to think it is that way, but when I say it out loud it comes across another....

 

Are you intimating that Joe is full of schite and doesn't know his rectum from his elbow cause he is a just another stupid LEO??

 

I do not want to read more into it, I would really like it if you could take the time and express what you meant....

it could just mean that you are surprised that it was him and that he was a LEO...

 

But I cant see how that would be the case because you have been in the shop a few times, spoke with Joe, did well with what you were doing etc

You must have seen his commendations and his 'love me' stuff on the wall....

 

Looking forward to your thoughts if you care to share them.....

 

The point was that we were trying to figure out who owned the website and when I did whois searches and it turned out to be Joe, I was surprised.

 

I don't denigrate anyone's time in law enforcement, specially in light of the fact that my brother has been a LEO for nearly 20 years now.

<snip> Which opens another door... If you use your hollow points to defend yourself in your home... Is someone going to flip the proverbial coin and use it against you? Remember the fact that you decided to use a more "lethal round" while protecting yourself, which could and probably would appear in someones eyes as over the top. You just never know. <snip>

 

Agree - you just never know, especially in NJ.

 

However, to argue that a hollow point is a "more lethal round" is a point I would argue incessantly against. The reason to have hollow points for home defense is to prevent overpenetration, to prevent someone else from being injured by a stray bullet.

 

The way you are reading the law in NJ is that you can have hollow points, but you can't use them. I don't read it that way.

 

In any case, neither of us are lawyers and this particular point remains a bone of contention even BETWEEN gun rights lawyers within the state!!

 

Let me float another scenario Joe - which would you rather have John Q Public shoot the actor with, his own round ball reloads or commercially produced HP ammo? I know I would be dead on the witness stand regardless of the fact that I reload powder puff loads if the prosecutor found out that I had reloaded my HD ammo.

 

There's just too much ambiguity in NJ law - and the fact that the state regularly jams up otherwise law abiding citizens versus how they treat John the scumbag Drug Dealer, or Joe the gangbanger or Dave the car thief, even if they are caught with firearms... Yes, breaking the law is breaking the law, but it seems that when you go ahead and break 10 laws you only really need to serve time for 1 or 2 MAX. Whereas if you break 1 law, you get the book thrown at you for the full sentence, no time off, no consideration for your otherwise clean record...

The point was that we were trying to figure out who owned the website and when I did whois searches and it turned out to be Joe, I was surprised.

 

I don't denigrate anyone's time in law enforcement, specially in light of the fact that my brother has been a LEO for nearly 20 years now.

 

* MY *............apologies for thinking it was anything other than that, which is the first way I read it but then.......well...again * MY * apologies......