Bought a SW5 from HKPRO forums. It has a fixed stock, no mag included, 16" unthreaded barrel. However, like many HK clones it has a SEF trigger housing and my FFL thinks that it is a machine gun and wants to turn the gun in to the State Police/PD. If he does that, I'll probably never see the gun again even if it is proved to be semi-auto only. Can anyone advise what I should do next?

Show your FFL the law.

 

Regardless of the outcome, find a new one.

The problem is how do I prove or rather how can he satisfy himself that he gun is semi only? I'm not sure Special Weapons is still in business anymore.

 

 

Show your FFL the law.

 

Regardless of the outcome, find a new one.

put it in "full auto", hold the trigger and rack it. If the firing pin doesnt drop its not full auto.

Can you find a sales page that shows the markings and explains that its just a semi?

There was a sales brochure with the gun, but according to my FFL it doesn't say anyting abuot it being semi.

 

Can you find a sales page that shows the markings and explains that its just a semi?

tell him to just send the gun back.. (then use a non-useless FFL)

 

he is obviously so incompetent you will NEVER please him..

or

if you really want to try.. and this is a long shot since they are normally apprehensive about helping.. call the state police yourself.. they might just surprise you.. I know they helped others out on more than one occasion..

I don't think he is informed enough for that.

 

put it in "full auto", hold the trigger and rack it. If the firing pin doesnt drop its not full auto.

I don't think he is informed enough for that.

Then you need to do this......

 

 

tell him to just send the gun back.. (then use a non-useless FFL)

I did suggest sending the gun back, but he told me he won't do that because he has to declare what is in the package and that it would be traceable back to him. Guess I could try the state PDor my local PD, but the problem remains that righnt now I can't prove that the gun is indeed semi only, short of firing it.

 

tell him to just send the gun back.. (then use a non-useless FFL)

 

he is obviously so incompetent you will NEVER please him..

or

if you really want to try.. and this is a long shot since they are normally apprehensive about helping.. call the state police yourself.. they might just surprise you.. I know they helped others out on more than one occasion..

So what FFL is this?

I did suggest sending the gun back, but he told me he won't do that because he has to declare what is in the package and that it would be traceable back to him. Guess I could try the state PDor my local PD, but the problem remains that righnt now I can't prove that the gun is indeed semi only, short of firing it.

 

 

I have changed my opinion.. this guy is nuts.. what he is doing is beyond reason.. just call the state police..

 

tell them

 

"some whack job FFL has STOLEN my GUN and will not give it back because even though it is not illegal per NJ law.. he has decided it is"

 

this is a truly interesting situation.. please do tell.. who is this loon...

This FFL is an idiot. Who is he? The only way I can think of proving the idiot that its not an auto is to go fire it.

 

You should make a deal with him that if the rifle is a semi, and that he is wrong, he must quit the firearm business and find a new job.

just tell him to hold the target while you prove it is only semi.. you will be doing EVERYONE a favor..

 

may I also add that this is why I ONLY do business with FFLs that I trust.. there are quite a few decent knowledgeable ones out there, I am not sure why anyone would use anything but..

Ok he has figured it out and we're going to to the transfer on Friday. Thanks everyone!!

 

Mods please close this thread!!

 

put it in "full auto", hold the trigger and rack it. If the firing pin doesnt drop its not full auto.

He is in Kendall Park.

Can I ask how much you picked up this SW5 for?

It would be a public service if you told us the name of the FFL so we can all avoid him.

just call the manufacturer...

I don't want to post names, but see psost #16 and do a Google search. He is the only FFL at that address.

 

It would be a public service if you told us the name of the FFL so we can all avoid him.

I don't want to post names, but see psost #16 and do a Google search. He is the only FFL at that address.

 

You don't want to post the name of a terrible, ignorant and aggressively stupid FFL? Because you want the rest of us to figure it out accidentally when we try him out? You need to post it.

Don't even know if they are still around anymore. Their website is a blank page.

 

just call the manufacturer...

There is an FFL listed in Kendall Park, Howard Rothman.

just call the manufacturer...

they're gone. "Speshul Weapons" went out of business a while ago..Dont worry though the Op will only get around 1 shot in 5 to actually go off..if he's lucky. Unless of course some other Unlucky owner sent it off to someone competent to have it reworked so it actually Functions. Todd (AKA Toad) Bailey, owner of SW (And half a dozen other incarnations) made a name for himself by actually having WORSE Customer service than Ceiner. He's a Scumbag and i woulodnt own one of his firearms if someone paid me to take it. OP Hope you got one of the (VERY Few) Good ones and it runs allright for you..... I figure i'll be contacted by Toad's attorneys within an hour or so of posting this..he has a History of Suing anyone who says anything less that glowing about his Shi...umm i mean products.

I am sorry, and I don't normally post things like this, but I feel I need to vent. I think you are doing this community a huge disservice by not providing ALL information of this FFL. Name, address, number, whatever. What he is doing is irresponsible, and could cost someone a lot of time, money, and possibly worse. Not only would I have plastered his info on every forum I am on, I would have also used every last ounce of my energy of having him stripped of his FFL license as well. Something like this should NOT go unpunished.