It's time to start paying attention to who the Democrats put up to run against Christie in 2013, if Christie goes for a second term.

 

Steve Rothman, our Congress critter from Bergen County, put out a statement that he's not running in 2013.

 

http://www.politickernj.com/50486/rothman-wont-run-governor-2013

 

And Steve Rothman and never came across an anti gun bill, or anti gun court documents, that he didn't put his name on.

It's gonna be Sweeney vs Christie.

It's gonna be Sweeney vs Christie.

 

 

That will make Bryan Miller's head explode!!!

 

Sweeney might be open to 2A reforms in a limited way, while I know Christie don't really give a s***.

Honestly, as much as gun rights mean to me, IMHO, voting for any leader on one issue is stupid. I always laugh when people elect a president based on his gay marriage stance or abortion. If an idiot like Obama was running, but LOVED guns, I would not vote for him. Christie has many good points, and as long as the good outweighs the bad, I will vote for him.

Honestly, as much as gun rights mean to me, IMHO, voting for any leader on one issue is stupid. I always laugh when people elect a president based on his gay marriage stance or abortion. If an idiot like Obama was running, but LOVED guns, I would not vote for him. Christie has many good points, and as long as the good outweighs the bad, I will vote for him.

 

Unfortunately while the system has turned into what we have now Career Politicians and not people in office for the PEOPLE, and we will 99.999999% of the time be left with choosing a person that is just the lesser of 2 evils and who will do the least amount of damage during there term.

 

It's really too bad that out founding fathers were 1000 times more knowledgeable to the way things could be in the future than people we have today who have an education that is probably 100 times better than what was available back then.

 

Harry

Honestly, as much as gun rights mean to me, IMHO, voting for any leader on one issue is stupid. I always laugh when people elect a president based on his gay marriage stance or abortion. If an idiot like Obama was running, but LOVED guns, I would not vote for him. Christie has many good points, and as long as the good outweighs the bad, I will vote for him.

 

While I agree with you in general, try to look at it this way. How a candidate feels about guns tells you everything you need to know about him. If he supports your right to KABA, then he views you as a citizen . If he believes you should not be "allowed" to carry/possess/etc, then he views you as a subject to be lorded over and the he is your superior . I'm not exclusively a one issue voter, but the second amendment is a wonderful litmus test. If they don't pass that, they don't get my vote, period.

 

Christie and Sweeney both would pass the litmus test, modified for NJ standards (i.e. they won't hurt us). If Christie were overtly anti-gun, I'd have to go with the democrat, but since they're equal, I would go with Christie just to keep the democrats from re-obtaining control of the whole state government.

If Christie were overtly anti-gun, I'd have to go with the democrat

 

Christie will run again--UNLESS a Republican gets elected to WH in 2012 and he gets the AG/FBI/DHS job. I am not sure which Dems will run, I but my guess would be someone supported by the Norcross gang (maybe Sweeney) and someone supported by the N. NJ corrupto Libs (maybe Lesniak or Cunningham).

While I agree with you in general, try to look at it this way. How a candidate feels about guns tells you everything you need to know about him. If he supports your right to KABA, then he views you as a citizen . If he believes you should not be "allowed" to carry/possess/etc, then he views you as a subject to be lorded over and the he is your superior . I'm not exclusively a one issue voter, but the second amendment is a wonderful litmus test. If they don't pass that, they don't get my vote, period.

 

Christie and Sweeney both would pass the litmus test, modified for NJ standards (i.e. they won't hurt us). If Christie were overtly anti-gun, I'd have to go with the democrat, but since they're equal, I would go with Christie just to keep the democrats from re-obtaining control of the whole state government.

 

 

Honestly, I do agree with you, and almost everyone in this thread. When a politician is anti gun, or even doesn't give gun issues they time of day, we MUST question them as a leader, as an American, and as a citizen of our community. HOWEVER, I hate being a hypocrite. I am a big Ron Paul fan. However, he does have SOME issues which many people hang on (his views on marriage, abortion, etc.) They vote him out SOLELY for that issue and that issue alone....nevermind the fact that he has excellent understand of economics, healthcare, and a slew of other things that are USEFUL in fixing the country.

 

Thus, I find myself torn. One of the things I hate most is Unions, and I love Christie's stance on that. I like the way he has a no nonsense way of talking to people. However, agreed, the gun stuff does bother me. Maybe its a case of "the devil you know is better than the devil you dont?"

 

And Barack Obama said he doesn't want to take your guns away. I'm less interested in what politicians say and more interested in what they do.

 

Yes, Christie has put an anti-gun AG in place, but he's not actively pursuing any new laws (a refreshing change in NJ), and in NJ, that is not overtly anti-gun.

 

Can we at least agree that he's less anti-gun than Corzine?

 

For the record, I supported Lonagan.

And Barack Obama said he doesn't want to take your guns away. I'm less interested in what politicians say and more interested in what they do.

 

Yes, Christie has put an anti-gun AG in place, but he's not actively pursuing any new laws (a refreshing change in NJ), and in NJ, that is not overtly anti-gun.

 

Can we at least agree that he's less anti-gun than Corzine?

 

For the record, I supported Lonagan.

Hey Hayden, Give CMP a call and buy yourself a Garand....Oh, Wait YOU CANT ANYMORE. Well then, Buy yourself one of those Auto-Ordnance M-1 Clones..Oh Wait, you CANT because Chrtistie's AG personally rescinded the authorization Letter..do I Need to bring up the IO Kalash debacle as well??? Christie has HURT us..... maybe not as publicly or as bad as previous Governors, but he has harmed us.

Lets keep this to guns before it is moved to politics section. =)

 

But to say Christie supports guns? LOL. As others have mentioned... he just doesn't want to piss off his base, and will do anything to get re-elected, and in this state... that means not passing any pro gun legislation.

Lets keep this to guns before it is moved to politics section. =)

 

But to say Christie supports guns? LOL. As others have mentioned... he just doesn't want to piss off his base, and will do anything to get re-elected, and in this state... that means not passing any pro gun legislation.

While there hasnt been ANY legislation pertaining to guns, he's screwed us through the back door plenty of times so far.

While there hasnt been ANY legislation pertaining to guns, he's screwed us through the back door plenty of times so far.

 

I have to comment on wording here, lol,, You know I had a controller back in 1999 that had a pilot tell him that they were coming around the back door on initial contact (non standard taxi route), The controller could see this but commented anyway, he said the following, "The back door isn't so bad once in a while" Well the rest of the folks in the tower just about fell over laughing, I immediately gave him the name BDB, "Back Door Boy", well to this day he answers to that and his wife will even call him BDB at times. ROFLMAO

 

Now back to what you wrote,,, lol

 

Harry

Hey Hayden, Give CMP a call and buy yourself a Garand....Oh, Wait YOU CANT ANYMORE. Well then, Buy yourself one of those Auto-Ordnance M-1 Clones..Oh Wait, you CANT because Chrtistie's AG personally rescinded the authorization Letter..do I Need to bring up the IO Kalash debacle as well??? Christie has HURT us..... maybe not as publicly or as bad as previous Governors, but he has harmed us.

 

 

Yeah, all this, and of course the meandering, obstruction, delaying, anything to avoid the inevitable opposition to the SAF and NJ2AS lawsuits by the AG, who is a sop to the Essex dems and that braindead bimbo Sheila Oliver.

But to say Christie supports guns? LOL.

 

Not sure what thread you're reading, but I don't think anybody went as far as to say he "supports guns". I just said he's not as anti-gun as some of our other governors. On a national stage, he's totally anti-gun, but here in NJ, he's an NRA puppet (if you believe the likes of Cryin' Bryan Miller )

Not sure what thread you're reading, but I don't think anybody went as far as to say he "supports guns". I just said he's not as anti-gun as some of our other governors. On a national stage, he's totally anti-gun, but here in NJ, he's an NRA puppet (if you believe the likes of Cryin' Bryan Miller )

 

 

yeah he is...he just doesnt do it OPENLY through legislation but i see this argument is no more than :thsmiley_deadhorse: believe what you want

Lets keep this to guns before it is moved to politics section. =)

 

There's a politics section??

 

yeah he is...he just doesnt do it OPENLY through legislation but i see this argument is no more than :thsmiley_deadhorse: believe what you want

 

Yeah, see, now you simply restated what I said in my first comment before I had to don the flame suit. He's not overtly anti-gun; neither is Sweeney. And given the choice between a closet anti-gun RINO and a Fudd Democrat, I'm going with the RINO because overall we'll be better off since this state is too liberal to begin with. But I'm under no illusion that Christie is a conservative; I voted Lonegan in the primaries, who is solidly pro-gun.

There's a politics section??

 

 

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

 

*breath*

 

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

 

 

I don't care who you are, that's funny right there.