First, thanks to all the contributors at this forum. I'm PCSing to McGuire and have found a lot of great info here. I just wanted to run some things by everyone to make sure I'm understanding everything correctly.

 

Currenltly my state of residence is Florida. I own a .30-06 rifle and am considering buying a shotgun and possibly a handgun before I leave. So, correct me if I'm wrong:

 

I don't need to register the rifle or shotgun in NJ provided I keep it in my home and only transport it to/from ranges for target practice or to/from hunting sites (provided I have a valid hunting license)

 

I do not need to register the handgun as long as I keep it in my home

 

Even though my state of residence accoring to the military is Florida, I can't purchase a firearm from Florida while stationed at McGuire b/c my state of residence is NJ (my permanent duty station) according to the ATF.

 

Anything wrong or anything else I should know for the move? Thanks so much for the help.

First, thanks to all the contributors at this forum. I'm PCSing to McGuire and have found a lot of great info here. I just wanted to run some things by everyone to make sure I'm understanding everything correctly.

 

Currenltly my state of residence is Florida. I own a .30-06 rifle and am considering buying a shotgun and possibly a handgun before I leave. So, correct me if I'm wrong:

 

I don't need to register the rifle or shotgun in NJ provided I keep it in my home and only transport it to/from ranges for target practice or to/from hunting sites (provided I have a valid hunting license)

 

I do not need to register the handgun as long as I keep it in my home

 

Even though my state of residence accoring to the military is Florida, I can't purchase a firearm from Florida while stationed at McGuire b/c my state of residence is NJ (my permanent duty station) according to the ATF.

 

Anything wrong or anything else I should know for the move? Thanks so much for the help.

 

 

Any gun Hand or Long, or Shotty if legally purchased while a resident of another state you can bring to NJ as long as the gun is not prohibited in NJ, also remember out Mag limitations, and when you get here you need to do nothing. There is no mandatory registration, but there is a voluntary one but why would you.

 

FID will be needed to purchase handgun ammo and that also includes 22's, and 410 shells if you purchase locally in NJ. Some or many online stores will ship without the need for a NJ FID.

 

Harry

Also a NJ FID is not needed to transport to and from exempted locations either.

 

Forgot to add that in the original post.

 

Harry

Basically... Buy all the guns you want NOW. When you get here, apply for your FID in order to buy ammo. Welcome to NJ!

First, thanks to all the contributors at this forum. I'm PCSing to McGuire and have found a lot of great info here. I just wanted to run some things by everyone to make sure I'm understanding everything correctly.

 

Currenltly my state of residence is Florida. I own a .30-06 rifle and am considering buying a shotgun and possibly a handgun before I leave. So, correct me if I'm wrong:

 

I don't need to register the rifle or shotgun in NJ provided I keep it in my home and only transport it to/from ranges for target practice or to/from hunting sites (provided I have a valid hunting license)

 

I do not need to register the handgun as long as I keep it in my home

 

Even though my state of residence accoring to the military is Florida, I can't purchase a firearm from Florida while stationed at McGuire b/c my state of residence is NJ (my permanent duty station) according to the ATF.

 

Anything wrong or anything else I should know for the move? Thanks so much for the help.

 

My post is to reiterate what has already been stated.

 

Rifles, shotguns and handguns all follow the same rules if you do not have a firearms purchaser ID and they were purchased legally while a resident of a different state.

 

You may keep them in your home, take them to the Range, a gunsmith, a business you own(doesn't apply to you) or hunting. There is no mandatory registration of firearms in NJ.

 

All the guns must be NJ assault weapons ban legal. Bolt action rifles are fine. If I were you, just buy the handguns you can now and as already suggested, apply for your firearms purchaser ID as soon as you're settled in.

 

Welcome to NJ, such as it is.

You don't need an FID to buy handgun/rifle/shotgun ammo online. It's cheaper than just about any gun shop here anyway.

You don't need an FID to buy handgun/rifle/shotgun ammo online. It's cheaper than just about any gun shop here anyway.

 

Not entirely true, some place do want a copy of your FID.

 

Harry

Not entirely true, some place do want a copy of your FID.

 

Harry

 

So then, buy from the ones that do not require such needless documentation. Problem solved.

So then, buy from the ones that do not require such needless documentation. Problem solved.

 

If you were to acquire handgun ammunition without a FPID or permit while in NJ, you are in violation of the law.

If you were to acquire handgun ammunition without a FPID or permit while in NJ, you are in violation of the law.

 

Not saying anyone should, of course. But how would the authorities ever know that someone got a UPS box shipped to their house? And that someone just took the ammo and said he bought it before he moved? Or during a trip out of state? Under what circumstances would such a question even come up? I have been shooting for years and no one's ever asked me where I got my ammo under any pretext besides wondering if I got a good deal on it.

Not saying anyone should, of course. But how would the authorities ever know that someone got a UPS box shipped to their house? And that someone just took the ammo and said he bought it before he moved? Or during a trip out of state? Under what circumstances would such a question even come up? I have been shooting for years and no one's ever asked me where I got my ammo under any pretext besides wondering if I got a good deal on it.

Our government randomly check online shippers and buyers for sales tax purposes. Anyone remember the people several years back buying cigarettes online that got whacked with huge sales tax bills. Anytime you make an online purchase from places like Jeg's, Cabela's, Sear's, etc. your supposed to claim these purchases when you file your taxes.

So then, buy from the ones that do not require such needless documentation. Problem solved.

 

So what if I am getting something from a place that requires proof of a FID and I am .03 to .04 cents a round cheaper than all the other online stores? I'd rather have the 30.00-40.00 bucks in my pocket per 1000 rounds myself, especially being that my smallest orders are usually 1000 rounds and up to 5000 in center-fire ammo.

 

Harry

So what if I am getting something from a place that requires proof of a FID and I am .03 to .04 cents a round cheaper than all the other online stores? I'd rather have the 30.00-40.00 bucks in my pocket per 1000 rounds myself, especially being that my smallest orders are usually 1000 rounds and up to 5000 in center-fire ammo.

 

Harry

 

Well, let's suppose you are a person who does not have an FID looking to buy ammo online, then I suppose you can't be so picky with prices, no?

Well, let's suppose you are a person who does not have an FID looking to buy ammo online, then I suppose you can't be so picky with prices, no?

 

I guess not if you don't have an FID (and PK90 covered that already), no issue for me, I have only had my FID for the last 28 years.

 

Harry

no issue for me, I have only had my FID for the last 28 years.

 

Harry

 

At what point did you think this conversation was about you?

At what point did you think this conversation was about you?

 

Let me ask, out of your 42 posts here and the comments by some of the others around here I just have to ask, do you talk to people in person you just meet the way you write to them on this forum??

 

I don't know if I or some of the others are taking things wrong or not, but most of your post come off as a little confrontational. Take it for what's it worth, just a friendly observation.

 

Harry

Let me ask, out of your 42 posts here and the comments by some of the others around here I just have to ask, do you talk to people in person you just meet the way you write to them on this forum??

 

I don't know if I or some of the others are taking things wrong or not, but most of your post come off as a little confrontational. Take it for what's it worth, just a friendly observation.

 

Harry

 

How am I coming across as confrontational? I was referring to nuances in NJ ammunition laws, I'm not sure why you saw fit to tell me about your bargain hunting and how long you've had your FID for, considering I couldn't care less about either of those things, and it has nothing to do with what we're talking about here.

If you live in camden or trenton can you get hazardous duty pay or combat pay?

How am I coming across as confrontational? I was referring to nuances in NJ ammunition laws, I'm not sure why you saw fit to tell me about your bargain hunting and how long you've had your FID for, considering I couldn't care less about either of those things, and it has nothing to do with what we're talking about here.

 

Like I said, not sure you actual meaning as your are writing, but out of all your posts here that how you come across.

 

Me I like to talk to and treat people on the Internet as I would in person, and I know if you were with a group of people you met for the first time and you talk and comment as you have in a lot of your posts on the forum, I am not talking this thread alone, you probably would be called on it.

 

I'm done, we can let it rest now and move on, just know I am just trying to pass along a little friendly advise as I see it.

 

Harry

considering I couldn't care less about either of those things

 

This is the kind of thing that makes you come across as arrogant and confrontational. We are a pretty laid back group here and these guys are some of the kindest people you will ever come across. Generally we are pretty civil to one another and this is obviously not.

Basically... Buy all the guns you want NOW. When you get here, apply for your FID in order to buy ammo. Welcome to NJ!

 

Yeah, this!

Not saying anyone should, of course. But how would the authorities ever know that someone got a UPS box shipped to their house? And that someone just took the ammo and said he bought it before he moved? Or during a trip out of state? Under what circumstances would such a question even come up? I have been shooting for years and no one's ever asked me where I got my ammo under any pretext besides wondering if I got a good deal on it.

My ammo comes in the factory boxes with a shipping label, lol..... the ups man is nice enough to hide it for me so the neighbors dont see it. But anyone who looks at the box knows it has 9mm luger in it. Postal services call the authorities all the time about packages, not saying they check every box of ammo going through the place but its your call taking the chance.

Our government randomly check online shippers and buyers for sales tax purposes. Anyone remember the people several years back buying cigarettes online that got whacked with huge sales tax bills. Anytime you make an online purchase from places like Jeg's, Cabela's, Sear's, etc. your supposed to claim these purchases when you file your taxes.

 

"Generally speaking, if an online retailer maintains a physical presence in a state that charges a sales tax on most purchases, then that online retailer must charge sales tax on any items that are sold to customers within the home state. However, if the online retailer is selling an item to a customer outside of its home state, then it is not required to collect sales tax from that customer. "

 

Sears yes, you need to pay sales tax.

Cabela's probably not.

 

Sears yes, you need to pay sales tax.

Cabela's probably not.

 

I do believe the way it work is if there are no stores in your state than you can get around the sales tax, for example when you oder from Cabelas and have it shipped you don't pay tax, however if we had a Cabelas in the state they would need to charge you the sales tax. this may not be a blanket statement for all states, but thats how it seems to work with many states and NJ.

 

Harry

Not saying anyone should, of course. But how would the authorities ever know that someone got a UPS box shipped to their house? And that someone just took the ammo and said he bought it before he moved? Or during a trip out of state? Under what circumstances would such a question even come up? I have been shooting for years and no one's ever asked me where I got my ammo under any pretext besides wondering if I got a good deal on it.

 

This is subscribing to the "its not illegal unless you get caught" mentality. You could apply this logic to all sorts of things, especially NJ's convoluted gun laws. Bottom line is anyone is taking a risk by acquiring HG ammo in NJ without having an FID.

 

2C:58-3.3 "Handgun ammunition" defined; sale, purchase, etc., regulated; violation, fourth degree crime.

 

1. a. As used in this act, "handgun ammunition" means ammunition specifically designed to be used only in a handgun. "Handgun ammunition" shall not include blank ammunition, air gun pellets, flare gun ammunition, nail gun ammunition, paint ball ammunition, or any non-fixed ammunition.

 

b.No person shall sell, give, transfer, assign or otherwise dispose of, or receive, purchase, or otherwise acquire handgun ammunition unless the purchaser, assignee, donee, receiver or holder is licensed as a manufacturer, wholesaler, or dealer under this chapter or is the holder of and possesses a valid firearms purchaser identification card, a valid copy of a permit to purchase a handgun, or a valid permit to carry a handgun and first exhibits such card or permit to the seller, donor, transferor or assignor.

 

c.No person shall sell, give, transfer, assign or otherwise dispose of handgun ammunition to a person who is under 21 years of age.

 

d.The provisions of this section shall not apply to a collector of firearms or ammunition as curios or relics who purchases, receives, acquires, possesses, or transfers handgun ammunition which is recognized as being historical in nature or of historical significance.

 

e.A person who violates this section shall be guilty of a crime of the fourth degree, except that nothing contained herein shall be construed to prohibit the sale, transfer, assignment or disposition of handgun ammunition to or the purchase, receipt or acceptance of ammunition by a law enforcement agency or law enforcement official for law enforcement purposes.

 

f.Nothing in this section shall be construed to prohibit the transfer of ammunition for use in a lawfully transferred firearm in accordance with the provisions of section 1 of P.L.1992, c.74 (C.2C:58-3.1), section 1 of P.L.1997, c.375 (C.2C:58-3.2) or section 14 of P.L.1979, c.179 (C.2C:58-6.1).

 

g.Nothing in this section shall be construed to prohibit the sale of a de minimis amount of handgun ammunition at a firearms range operated by a licensed dealer; a law enforcement agency; a legally recognized military organization; or a rifle or pistol club which has filed a copy of its charter with the superintendent for immediate use at that range.

 

L.2007, c.318, s.1.

I do believe the way it work is if there are no stores in your state than you can get around the sales tax, for example when you oder from Cabelas and have it shipped you don't pay tax, however if we had a Cabelas in the state they would need to charge you the sales tax. this may not be a blanket statement for all states, but thats how it seems to work with many states and NJ.

 

Harry

There is no legal was to get around paying taxes due on items you purchase. NJ like most states has "Use Tax", that means you are obligated under NJ tax code to declare and pay the tax due on all the items you purchased out of state, like in DE or NH where there is no sales tax, or if you buy online and didn't pay tax, or even if you buy in PA where the tax is 6% you are to pay the remaining 1% (you get credit for any out of state taxes paid). When you file your NJ tax return you are swearing that you have paid all applicable taxes you owe.

 

Obviously this is not normally enforced on individuals, but the state has gone after professionals (doctors, lawyers, etc.) who haven't paid use tax because it was easy to see they weren't paying it. They don't collect sales tax on their services and weren't paying anything to the state, an audit would almost certainly find some computers or other equipment they ordered online and didn't pay use tax on.

 

I wouldn't worry about it to much, but I also wouldn't advocate anyone admitting to it on a public forum either.

There is no legal was to get around paying taxes due on items you purchase. NJ like most states has "Use Tax", that means you are obligated under NJ tax code to declare and pay the tax due on all the items you purchased out of state, like in DE or NH where there is no sales tax, or if you buy online and didn't pay tax, or even if you buy in PA where the tax is 6% you are to pay the remaining 1% (you get credit for any out of state taxes paid). When you file your NJ tax return you are swearing that you have paid all applicable taxes you owe.

 

Obviously this is not normally enforced on individuals, but the state has gone after professionals (doctors, lawyers, etc.) who haven't paid use tax because it was easy to see they weren't paying it. They don't collect sales tax on their services and weren't paying anything to the state, an audit would almost certainly find some computers or other equipment they ordered online and didn't pay use tax on.

 

I wouldn't worry about it to much, but I also wouldn't advocate anyone admitting to it on a public forum either.

 

I believe there is a federal law exempting sales tax on Internet purchases purchased out of state. But, you're right, if you purchase B&M out of state you are supposed to pay the taxes somehow.