this newer siaga has some nice features, check it out...

http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/storeproduct1018.aspx

The only difference I can tell is the threaded barrel, which is ugly.....and we can't utilize. And the handguard is different.

why can't you use the threaded barrel? just get the brake pinned and welded, the 24mm brake that goes on there looks better to me. you don't have to buy a new gas tube, and the fsb has cleaning rod holder... looks more authentic with less work to me.

Well yea you can have one WELDED on. But you don't need one, so to me it's just extra weight on the end of the barrel. I'd rather go without it.

not much different than the older Saiga's, but whatever

Pretty kool. But when restoring that handguard is no help Unfortunatly . ( unless its US made?) threaded barrel is a nice addition for anybody who likes authenticity, to put a break on. Hopefully these new ones will drive the price of the old ones down

(wishful thinking)

Hopefully these new ones will drive the price of the old ones down

Oh snap, that would be pretty cool.

Well yea you can have one WELDED on. But you don't need one, so to me it's just extra weight on the end of the barrel. I'd rather go without it.

 

Have you ever actually fired a 7.62 or 5.45 with an authentic Commie 24mm brake? Not just TAPCO pieces of donkey excrement.

 

The rifle coming from the factory with AK-style handguards and gas tube saves the end user either a considerable amount of time and/or money. Assuming one were to use authentic parts, it's at least ~$120 and requires the person to be able to cut off the old blocks, press, pound drill and pin the new blocks on, as well as properly index the front sight block and gas block, or go the non-authentic bolt on route which is even costlier and looks like ****.

 

This is a huge value and a great bargain. Also, FYI, since the rifle pictured does not even have a pistol grip, you are free to use it with detachable muzzle devices, including flash supressors or muzzle brakes, legally. You only need to weld the brake on and worry about 922r if you decide to add a pistol grip.

Have you ever actually fired a 7.62 or 5.45 with an authentic Commie 24mm brake? Not just TAPCO pieces of donkey excrement.

 

The rifle coming from the factory with AK-style handguards and gas tube saves the end user either a considerable amount of time and/or money. Assuming one were to use authentic parts, it's at least ~$120 and requires the person to be able to cut off the old blocks, press, pound drill and pin the new blocks on, as well as properly index the front sight block and gas block, or go the non-authentic bolt on route which is even costlier and looks like ****.

 

This is a huge value and a great bargain. Also, FYI, since the rifle pictured does not even have a pistol grip, you are free to use it with detachable muzzle devices, including flash supressors or muzzle brakes, legally. You only need to weld the brake on and worry about 922r if you decide to add a pistol grip.

Or.....you could just get yourself a regular Saiga, and shoot it without a brake... It's not like you're shooting .50BMG here, x39 is easy to manage without a rubber recoil pad and without a brake.

So handguard and a threaded barrel, is that the extent of the differences?

Blegh.

 

Do Saigas come with Tapco G2s?

Or.....you could just get yourself a regular Saiga, and shoot it without a brake... It's not like you're shooting .50BMG here, x39 is easy to manage without a rubber recoil pad and without a brake.

 

 

Shot em' both, with and without brake. There is most certainly a difference in follow up time when you're dumping magazines.

Blegh.

 

Do Saigas come with Tapco G2s?

No sir, they do not. It's an option when you convert the rifle though. I'm not sure what the Arsenal rifles come with.

It also has a legit lower handguard retainer and not a bolt on which is a huge plus. Im suprised its on a non-dimpled reciever though. Im also suprised that there is not an accessory lug on the gas block since they went through the trouble of changing everything else.

Looks like a great bargain to me considering it doesn't need much work to convert it especially the gas system. I personally like how it comes with the threads, as I like the 74 style brake look.

 

The only problem I see could be making 922r being it appears everything is Russian made. So once the pistol grip goes on, I assume you would have to replace a bunch of other little things to get US made parts on it... thus running the cost back up.

Looks like a great bargain to me considering it doesn't need much work to convert it especially the gas system. I personally like how it comes with the threads, as I like the 74 style brake look.

 

The only problem I see could be making 922r being it appears everything is Russian made. So once the pistol grip goes on, I assume you would have to replace a bunch of other little things to get US made parts on it... thus running the cost back up.

 

 

14 parts from the factory...

 

-3 for the fire control group..

 

-1 anywhere else you want.. pistol grip... stock..

 

and you are good to go..

It also has a legit lower handguard retainer and not a bolt on which is a huge plus. Im suprised its on a non-dimpled reciever though. Im also suprised that there is not an accessory lug on the gas block since they went through the trouble of changing everything else.

 

 

I have put on quite a few of those retainers that you hate oh so much.. and honestly.. the ones they make now work just fine.. some of the older ones would slip.. move.. and be otherwise annoying... but not really anymore..

I have put on quite a few of those retainers that you hate oh so much.. and honestly.. the ones they make now work just fine.. some of the older ones would slip.. move.. and be otherwise annoying... but not really anymore..

 

 

Yes but the screw is BLASPHEMY! (and less structurally sound)

Yes but the screw is BLASPHEMY! (and less structurally sound)

 

 

most I have installed have a top hex screw.. so if the barrel is notched just install.. if not cut tiny notch or drill tiny hole.. set set screw.. and that thing will go nowhere..

I don't think he's doubting the integrity of the screw. Personally I think the bolt on retainers work fine, but the lever/notch on a real retainer is simply the purist's route.

I don't think he's doubting the integrity of the screw. Personally I think the bolt on retainers work fine, but the lever/notch on a real retainer is simply the purist's route.

 

 

right and I can appreciate that the original lever are "historically correct" I guess.. but since my personal scope of firearms pretty much ends at practical use.. given the choice of cutting off FSB and pressing on and off gas blocks.. lol I will opt for the simplest solution.. which in a Saigas case.. is normally bolt on..

 

lol

...but the lever/notch on a real retainer is simply the purist's only route.

 

fixed