You need to clarify that statement. (KD, correct me if I'm wrong) The faction of LE that comes out against CCW "time and time again" is the upper echelon - the chiefs and commissioners, the ones that have to play the political games to keep their jobs. Blue state, blue mayors, blue chief LEO's - that's the political reality.

 

The rank and file LEO is generally for citizen carry or has no opinion. The problem is that when a political candidate says he has such & such a LE organization's endorsement, Joe Schmoe takes that as meaning the police are in favor of that candidate. The general populus is not intelligent enough (or just to apathetic) to distinguish who is endorsing who, or what organization is in favor of what.

 

Adios,

 

Pizza Bob

 

Unfortunately, in regards to the rank-and-file LEOs, a silent majority is no majority at all. As long as the chiefs and politicians get to claim their support without any rebuke, we civilians lose.

 

It'd be nice if the rank and file spoke up once in awhile against their political masters, but given the probable response, I can see why they stay quiet.

Unfortunately, in regards to the rank-and-file LEOs, a silent majority is no majority at all. As long as the chiefs and politicians get to claim their support without any rebuke, we civilians lose.

 

It'd be nice if the rank and file spoke up once in awhile against their political masters, but given the probable response, I can see why they stay quiet.

 

They would speak up if they had to live by the same rules you have to live by when they were off duty. That's not meant to be cop bashing, that's just the way things work.

LEO's carrying off duty is a federal law. Citizens carrying is a state law. :thsmiley_deadhorse:

LEO's carrying off duty is a federal law. Citizens carrying is a state law. :thsmiley_deadhorse:

 

 

People in general "carrying" is a Right. States that recognize carrying are not creating laws which allow them to do so, they are eliminating the laws that prohibit it, ehm i mean regulate it.

 

The laws are only created to either make sure people can carry on the federal level, or make sure people cant carry on the state level.

After you mentioned the NJLawman's thread, I went over to check it out. It's a shame that LEOs who do think progressively in regards to Gun Rights don't have a much greater voice. That being said, those loudmouth LEOs who think they are better than the rest of us' really ruin things for the good cops out there and give ya'll a bad name.

 

http://uslawman.websitetoolbox.com/post?id=4943470&trail=80

Again...Except for MAYBE one..EVERY Anti-CCW guy in that thread IS NOT A COP..the only "We think you're better than us" A-holes are the Specials/Wannabe's..dont get me wrong there are some MAJOR A_holes who post there..including one who i Am VERY sad to say is a friggin Truther

Unfortunately, in regards to the rank-and-file LEOs, a silent majority is no majority at all. As long as the chiefs and politicians get to claim their support without any rebuke, we civilians lose.

 

It'd be nice if the rank and file spoke up once in awhile against their political masters, but given the probable response, I can see why they stay quiet.

many of us do..but we are ignored..especially by the Media because we dont fit the "Profile" but, as usual...let's not let facts actually enter a discussion on here. BTW for the record, Law Officer Magazine did a Survey on this a Number of years ago OVER 85% of Sworn officers surveyed were in favor of CCW for Civilians.

The matter seems very simple to me.

 

Patrolmen/lower ranking officers seem to either be neutral, or in support of, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, but do not seem to have a large voice on the national or state wide stage for which to speak up for citizens' rights.

 

Police Chiefs and various other high-ranking officers, tend to be against the right of the people to keep and bear arms, and often speak up in favor of gun control on the national and state level with large levels of media exposure.

 

The problem here is, you have Chief Kelly and Commissoner McCarthy and others speaking to an audience of millions nationwide in favor of gun control measures.

 

But hey, there's a thread on some cop forum I never heard of until today, and on that thread a bunch of guys who are cops posted on the internet expressing pro-CCW opinions to each other.

 

So I guess it all evens out?

 

EDIT TO ADD: If such an overwhelming majority of officers (you say 85% from a poll) why doesn't this overwhelming majority speak up? Aren't all law enforcement officers unionized? Isn't the point of a union that the few at the top cannot do things like, say, completely misrepresent the views of the 85% under them?

The matter seems very simple to me.

 

Patrolmen/lower ranking officers seem to either be neutral, or in support of, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, but do not seem to have a large voice on the national or state wide stage for which to speak up for citizens' rights.

 

Police Chiefs and various other high-ranking officers, tend to be against the right of the people to keep and bear arms, and often speak up in favor of gun control on the national and state level with large levels of media exposure.

 

The problem here is, you have Chief Kelly and Commissoner McCarthy and others speaking to an audience of millions nationwide in favor of gun control measures.

 

But hey, there's a thread on some cop forum I never heard of until today, and on that thread a bunch of guys who are cops posted on the internet expressing pro-CCW opinions to each other.

 

So I guess it all evens out?

 

EDIT TO ADD: If such an overwhelming majority of officers (you say 85% from a poll) why doesn't this overwhelming majority speak up? Aren't all law enforcement officers unionized? Isn't the point of a union that the few at the top cannot do things like, say, completely misrepresent the views of the 85% under them?

 

What? This is getting completely irrelevant. Cops didn't put you in your sorry situation by silently supporting Americans or by vocally denying them. It has nothing to do with them. Kdpipes changed the discussion to something like 'most cops want people to carry, complain to the higher ups and politicians' (that is NOT a quote, I came up with that). Good for him. That is not the subject at hand. The subject at hand is that he should NOT be permitted to carry a gun off duty when American Citizens are not allowed to. Period.

People in general "carrying" is a Right. States that recognize carrying are not creating laws which allow them to do so, they are eliminating the laws that prohibit it, ehm i mean regulate it.

 

The laws are only created to either make sure people can carry on the federal level, or make sure people cant carry on the state level.

 

I agree that it is a right. I'm just stating the two issues are different.

The subject at hand is that he should NOT be permitted to carry a gun off duty when American Citizens are not allowed to. Period.

 

Agreed.