i wanted to ask how other townships handle this and if there is anything i can do about it? i needed to get an extension on my last permit and was denied for no reason! i was told the north bergen chief of police is not doing any extensions for anyone! i never heard of this, when i lived in bloomfield it was not a problem, they extended it and thats it...

Contact Frank from the NJ2AS and give him the details for starters, and I'd also contact the NJSP Firearms division and make them aware.

 

Harry

Time for a lawsuit!

I would be sure to let the chief personally know that you have escalated the matter to the State Police. If you have a Representative or State Senator that will listen to you, I would make a complaint there too, and let the chief know this too. It would be good to see him feel some heat for his unwarranted and arbitrary decision.

ok made the call to the njsp and was told that it is totally up to the chief of police to extend it or not... so thats that i guess...

I didn't realize that extensions were at the police chief discretion. since he is clearly anti-gun, I would be sure to apply for 3 pistol permit every time you go in. f*** him

A permit to purchase a handgun shall be valid for a period of 90 days from the date of issuance and may be renewed by the issuing authority for good cause for an additional 90 days.

is there a phone number for frank at nj2as? im still not happy with this at all, just doesnt feel right, very unfair...

is there a phone number for frank at nj2as? im still not happy with this at all, just doesnt feel right, very unfair...

 

Just curious, but how many NJ firearms laws can you cite that are fair?

My chief extended mine while I waited all of two minutes......... Sorry to hear about your troubles.

call the mayor he's the chiefs boss

That's a pretty scumbag move on his part.

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Unfortunately this provision IS at the Chief's discretion. So, teach him a lesson, put in for 3 permits every three months without fail. Is it worth $2 per permit to piss him off?? I would be to me...

Unfortunately this provision IS at the Chief's discretion. So, teach him a lesson, put in for 3 permits every three months without fail. Is it worth $2 per permit to piss him off?? I would be to me...

NO, put in for 30 or 50 or 100 permits at a time or whatever you can afford. They cannot limit the amount of permits you can apply for. It costs them money to process them and the $2 each is not going to cover it on their end.

 

If he wants to be a douche so can you.

NO, put in for 30 or 50 or 100 permits at a time or whatever you can afford. They cannot limit the amount of permits you can apply for. It costs them money to process them and the $2 each is not going to cover it on their end.

 

If he wants to be a douche so can you.

Yea- that'll teach that chief cause the costs come out of HIS pocket and not the towns(taxpayers) budget !

i know it sucks but c'mon guys no need for the strong lingo! apparently it is up to him, ill just have to apply for more permits... kind of wack because i did go through something earlier this year with them about the number of permits allowed and exemptions forms they new nothing about, after everything was cleared up for me by the njsp everything was cool. i never dreamed i would have a problem now with a simple extension for one little permit, i guess not...

NO, put in for 30 or 50 or 100 permits at a time or whatever you can afford. They cannot limit the amount of permits you can apply for. It costs them money to process them and the $2 each is not going to cover it on their end.

 

If he wants to be a douche so can you.

Not all that much really but hey knock your socks off. And it ISNT just the $2 each..there's also the $18 background check fee that accompanies every P2P Application.

Not all that much really but hey knock your socks off. And it ISNT just the $2 each..there's also the $18 background check fee that accompanies every P2P Application.

 

It should only be $18 each time you apply, not per permit, and that's for NJSBI anyway, not your town PD.

Not all that much really but hey knock your socks off. And it ISNT just the $2 each..there's also the $18 background check fee that accompanies every P2P Application.

Well, I know I have put in for 10 at a time, and I get the eye roll because they don't want to type them up. I'm not trying to give my town a hard time because they're reasonable (by NJ standards) and I'm going to use them all.

 

Unless they have people in the records office with nothing to do all day I'm sure they aren't going to appreciate the extra work, what town isn't spread thin these days?

Yea- that'll teach that chief cause the costs come out of HIS pocket and not the towns(taxpayers) budget !

No, what's more likely to happen is it will bog down the pile of other work they have to get through to deal with your request. I highly doubt they are going to allot overtime to deal with the extra work.

what you need to do is call your mayor, make an appointment to speak to him and then complain that you are being denied your second amendment rights. Tell him that you are contemplating suing the pd for discriminationg and denial of your rights, mention that they abitrarilly denied your extension and tell him that they don't give the permits out in the 30 daysa as the law requiures and that this denial is a defecto denial of your rights.

I can tell you that towns are TERRIFIED of suits, this will generate a call to the cheif very quickly...

When I need to extend a permit I just go to the permit window,give the girl the permit and she types out the new date and gives it back to me. Police Chief has nothing to do with it.

In all honesty it doesnt matter what or how a town does extensions, it is in writing and part of the law that it is a may issue for an extension. You cannot sue a town for following NJ state law, you will loose and you probably wont even make it to court, they will most likely direct you to file complaints with the state. The same goes for carry permits, the municipalities are well within there power to follow state law, and they have it on there side. If you want to challenge state law, you cannot do it on the municipality level, as they merely follow the laws, they did not make them, and they absolutely have to follow them.

Ut oh, think they found a loophole on denial, will have to watch for permits not being extended which in reality will lock you into 3 permits per application.

i know it sucks but c'mon guys no need for the strong lingo!

No way man, that guy is a scum F'in bag. There is absolutely no reason not to extend a purchase permit, and this is the first time i have herd of an extension denial...there is NO POINT in denying an extension other then being a complete Pr*ck. I mean an denial means what exactly? you have to re-file for more permits, tying up your time and the PD's time the states time and the fbi's time... it's a loose loose.

Do we even know for sure that the Chief will not extend permits. Maybe the detective, or clerk is misinformed or misunderstands, or has an agenda. Speaking to the Chief might clear it up in 5 minutes.

Do we even know for sure that the Chief will not extend permits. Maybe the detective, or clerk is misinformed or misunderstands, or has an agenda. Speaking to the Chief might clear it up in 5 minutes.

I believe the cheif is very anti-gun, so i wouldn't hesitate to think it came from him.

I recently had a similar problem, but it was with the State Police SBI form. They state in the application packet that you can apply for an exception or waiver of the $18 fee if you have been fingerprinted or have submitted the SBI 212A within the past 12 months. (Well my wife and I just received our FID and one permit each within the last 5 months.) We were applying for some additional permits and I sent a letter with each application requesting a waiver of the $18 fee based on the noted exceptions. They wouldn’t do it. They responded by requesting a money order for the fees anyway. What can you do eh? It’s up to their discretion and if they don’t want to give you a break they don’t have to. But this is the NJ way… taxes and fees.

I recently had a similar problem, but it was with the State Police SBI form. They state in the application packet that you can apply for an exception or waiver of the $18 fee if you have been fingerprinted or have submitted the SBI 212A within the past 12 months. (Well my wife and I just received our FID and one permit each within the last 5 months.) We were applying for some additional permits and I sent a letter with each application requesting a waiver of the $18 fee based on the noted exceptions. They wouldn’t do it. They responded by requesting a money order for the fees anyway. What can you do eh? It’s up to their discretion and if they don’t want to give you a break they don’t have to. But this is the NJ way… taxes and fees.

Well, the question in your situation is, are they allowed to deny your application for waiving the fee and if so on what grounds? I haven't herd of this so it would be interesting to know the logistics. In the case of the extension they can use discretion based on anything..