That would make some sense if you could actually buy one with a lock. Most if not all are produced without a lock or the silly mag safety. It is more of a SKU then an actual product as most shooters order the one without those useless bits and so do police departments. If they forced it down your throat, you'd have point, but they don't.

 

The Hillary Lock runs strong in their revolvers though. And I think that is what he (the poster you were replying to) is referring to. Both S&W and Ruger really futzed up their image by adding those stupid locks to their wheelguns.

I'm the only one in our squad shooting a Glock (34) last Sunday. I have a few Glocks and I like them all. That being said, there are things that can be improved on even with the new Gen 4's. It's not a "perfect" pistol as their marketing tag-line claims. But it does work with little issues... I did not clean my pistol coming to the match last Sunday. The last time I brought it to the range was about 3-4 weeks ago and fired about 100 rds. I used up around 200 rds during the match of factory MFS ammo without any malfunction. I'm sure that in the hands of a "better" shooter, it would land a better ranking than I did.

 

As far as the S&W M&P's, I've tried them and the ergonomics are way better than my Glocks. Out of the box or with a good trigger job, they would make excellent pistols for competition, range plinking or HD. I would like to buy one (or two) someday.

 

As far as S&W as a company, congratulations to them! They have been coming up recently with products that are well made and liked by the market.

Worst customer service I have ever received was from S & W. I have buddies that years, no decades apart have received terrible customer service, and were stuck with useless unreliable automatic pistols.

 

And now they own Thomson Center, to bad I really like My TC's and TC had been a pleasure to deal with. I have placed two orders for small parts for my Encore since S & W took over and never received them, S & W has no record of them after the fact.

HAPPY GLOCKTOBER!

 

Time to carve the pumpkin...

 

Worst customer service I have ever received was from S & W. I have buddies that years, no decades apart have received terrible customer service, and were stuck with useless unreliable automatic pistols.

 

And now they own Thomson Center, to bad I really like My TC's and TC had been a pleasure to deal with. I have placed two orders for small parts for my Encore since S & W took over and never received them, S & W has no record of them after the fact.

 

That's almost the opposite of my experience with S&W... when my S&W .22-A broke after one shot, they had me ship it free to them and back to get it fixed. Thinking back, I really shoulda asked for some free swag for that thing breaking... ugh.

Wasn't aware that S&W was in need of reviving

Wasn't aware that S&W was in need of reviving

 

 

Yes Bob, it is taking them 40 years to live down the Model 916 shotgun they tried to market to the PD's...

Yes Bob, it is taking them 40 years to live down the Model 916 shotgun they tried to market to the PD's...

 

 

S&W makes something other than revolvers???????????? Who knew???? :meeting:

Yes Bob, it is taking them 40 years to live down the Model 916 shotgun they tried to market to the PD's...

 

 

having taken one apart...those things are the WORST gun design I have EVER SEEN. Who the hell designs a gun that you need to take the stock off to remove the bolt? and who in their right mind makes a 2 piece action bar? Jeez!

 

But yeah other than that and the Sigma, S&W is da bomb-diggity

But yeah other than that and the Sigma

 

Dear lord, yes. I took one apart to see its guts recently and I was horrified. Basically the "sear" if you choose to call it that is a bent piece of sheet metal integral to trigger bar as far as I can tell that just pushes backwards against the striker leg. I couldn't imagine such a layout outside prison made firearms but apparently it exists. No wonder the thing is sold for $100 to foreign armies, you can still make a profit on that which is scary.

Dear lord, yes. I took one apart to see its guts recently and I was horrified. Basically the "sear" if you choose to call it that is a bent piece of sheet metal integral to trigger bar as far as I can tell that just pushes backwards against the striker leg. I couldn't imagine such a layout outside prison made firearms but apparently it exists. No wonder the thing is sold for $100 to foreign armies, you can still make a profit on that which is scary.

 

 

Just like a GLOCK...

Just like a GLOCK...

 

 

Actually I mean the "new sigma" the SD series and it is MUCH worse then a glock. The left one in the pictures is the SD, that is a stamped out, VERY rough bit of stamped metal that no polishing will ever fixed. The trigger pull has more stages that I could count without taking my shoes off, and about as heavy as my car.

 

Worst customer service I have ever received was from S & W. I have buddies that years, no decades apart have received terrible customer service, and were stuck with useless unreliable automatic pistols.

 

And now they own Thomson Center, to bad I really like My TC's and TC had been a pleasure to deal with. I have placed two orders for small parts for my Encore since S & W took over and never received them, S & W has no record of them after the fact.

 

That's 100% the opposite of my experience with them. I'd give them high CS marks. Worst thing about their CS is that during busy parts of the year for the company you may get less experienced temps, and if they are moving a lot of product, you may have to wait for parts. I know many people who have had good CS experiences with them.

 

From my general experience, people seem happiest with S&W, Springfield armory runs a close second, then there's pretty much most of the other name brands with no clear winner although ruger might take a grumpy third, with H&K bringing up the overtly hostile tail end. H&K makes the DMV seem warm, welcoming, and speedy.