Joel, your preference would be back off the barracade and slice the pie to aquire target exposing as little as possible? I have to take these things into consideration, I have a BIG melon!

Joel, your preference would be back off the barracade and slice the pie to aquire target exposing as little as possible? I have to take these things into consideration, I have a BIG melon!

I definitely prefer to break cover to the side as you expose much less of your head, and your eye breaks cover almost immediately. On the other hand, when you pop up you expose a lot of head/brain, and as you pop up about 1/3rd of your head is exposed before you can even see what is going on.

My comment, Tosser, was in reference to the position of canting a rifle 45, and not the use of sights mounted on the 45.

 

In practical situations, a vehicle is not my cover of choice, nor are combatants stationary targets (though people do tend to get sucked into cover, but that's a different discussion). I want to make myself small/silhouette less as possible while still being able to move easily-- hence the position of squatting and canting.

 

I've read some articles where they now train to lay the rifle on it's side over your cover and to only pop up enough to look through the RDS (thus only exposing the top half of your head). This as opposed to the traditional method of shouldering the rifle and looking over cover, which exposes a lot more of your head/upper-body. Is this similar to what you're talking about?

I've read some articles where they now train to lay the rifle on it's side over your cover and to only pop up enough to look through the RDS (thus only exposing the top half of your head). This as opposed to the traditional method of shouldering the rifle and looking over cover, which exposes a lot more of your head/upper-body. Is this similar to what you're talking about?

To me that invites your adversary to aim at your rifle when you put it over your cover and give away your position, then wait for you to pop up for a clean headshot.

Id say you can find anyone training anything these days! I agree with Joel, invites getting timed!!!

I've read some articles where they now train to lay the rifle on it's side over your cover and to only pop up enough to look through the RDS (thus only exposing the top half of your head). This as opposed to the traditional method of shouldering the rifle and looking over cover, which exposes a lot more of your head/upper-body. Is this similar to what you're talking about?

 

I got a -1 for this?

I got a -1 for this?

It wasn't me.

To me that invites your adversary to aim at your rifle when you put it over your cover and give away your position, then wait for you to pop up for a clean headshot.

 

Depends on the situation and its application. This isn't really useful when you're already running and gunning, but if you have a suspect inside a building or someone you need to keep eyes on, this type of position will allow you to keep the rifle at the ready while also reducing your profile. An example would be if SWAT is sitting outside a house behind vehicles waiting for someone to surrender or exit, or just keeping and eye on the situation.

 

Just something I read about awhile back.

Depends on the situation and its application. This isn't really useful when you're already running and gunning, but if you have a suspect inside a building or someone you need to keep eyes on, this type of position will allow you to keep the rifle at the ready while also reducing your profile. An example would be if SWAT is sitting outside a house behind vehicles waiting for someone to surrender or exit, or just keeping and eye on the situation.

 

Just something I read about awhile back.

In that situation (SWAT) I can see why someone might do that, but it still seems slower to me as you don't have good control/firing grip/sight alignment on your rifle. It is faster to shoulder your rifle, get your sights up into your plane of vision, then quickly pop out of cover all ready to fire.

 

You will be using cover at the MDTS carbine class you are taking next month, and Chris will be doing a lecture/demo of how and why to use cover correctly.

In that situation (SWAT) I can see why someone might do that, but it still seems slower to me as you don't have good control/firing grip/sight alignment on your rifle. It is faster to shoulder your rifle, get your sights up into your plane of vision, then quickly pop out of cover all ready to fire.

 

You will be using cover at the MDTS carbine class you are taking next month, and Chris will be doing a lecture/demo of how and why to use cover correctly.

 

Right... but I was asking if that was what bbk was referring to when discussing crouching and canting from behind cover while minimizing one's profile.

Right... but I was asking if that was what bbk was referring to when discussing crouching and canting from behind cover while minimizing one's profile.

 

While speculation - I believe Ben was explaining the physical canting of the rifle itself at a 45 angle to minimize your profile, similar to how SBU prone is done.

 

IMHO leaving a weapon exposed on top of cover is just as bad as holding a sign saying "Shoot here".

Ha, I think we're all talking about the same thing, which goes to show how bad my initial explanation was.

Here is a video that shows for the most part what I'm talking about, from 0:15 - 0:22. The guy has his rifle canted at almost 90, which really is just a further exaggeration of what I was trying to explain: (Not my video nor anyone I know, just something I found)

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=0OHpbI0IzWQ#t=15s

Ha, I think we're all talking about the same thing, which goes to show how bad my initial explanation was.

Here is a video that shows for the most part what I'm talking about, from 0:15 - 0:22. The guy has his rifle canted at almost 90, which really is just a further exaggeration of what I was trying to explain: (Not my video nor anyone I know, just something I found)

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=0OHpbI0IzWQ#t=15s

 

I think that's similar to the type of shooting I was referring to.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=CK2WKSg8KQg#!