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I am looking to obtain a firearm id card here in our lovely state of NJ.I was filling out the forms and I came to the question about mental health. When I was younger I was hospitalized for evaluation at the age of 15. I was there for 5 days and sent home with them saying I basically don't have any "real" problems. Was just going through a nice angst ridden youth like most. Only reason I had to do this was due to truancy in HS. Never been arrested or in trouble with the law besides speeding tickets when I first got my license. My question is, will this come up on the background check and will it cause me to not be able to obtain a permit? I've passed other background checks for my employer and when I went to sign up for auxiliary police, just not sure how to handle it.

New to the forum. Found this site via google while trying to search my question.

 

I am looking to obtain a firearm id card here in our lovely state of NJ.I was filling out the forms and I came to the question about mental health. When I was younger I was hospitalized for evaluation at the age of 15. I was there for 5 days and sent home with them saying I basically don't have any "real" problems. Was just going through a nice angst ridden youth like most. Only reason I had to do this was due to truancy in HS. Never been arrested or in trouble with the law besides speeding tickets when I first got my license. My question is, will this come up on the background check and will it cause me to not be able to obtain a permit? I've passed other background checks for my employer and when I went to sign up for auxiliary police, just not sure how to handle it.

 

 

How old are you now or... how long ago was it?

 

Hospitalized with no documented problems sounds fine to me. If they recorded somehting and required follow up I would think otherwise.

 

Obviously there is someone somewhere that has a record, but could it be some form of legal, state attainable doc, sound like the answer is no. I can't say 100% but evaluation with no issues sounds about as good as it gets.

 

But if you get get a go ahead from the Auxilliary police I think you are fine.

 

DO you stil do the Aux thing?

 

And welcome, BTW

How old are you now or... how long ago was it?

 

Hospitalized with no documented problems sounds fine to me. If they recorded somehting and required follow up I would think otherwise.

 

Obviously there is someone somewhere that has a record, but could it be some form of legal, state attainable doc, sound like the answer is no. I can't say 100% but evaluation with no issues sounds about as good as it gets.

 

But if you get get a go ahead from the Auxilliary police I think you are fine.

 

DO you stil do the Aux thing?

 

And welcome, BTW

I am 32 now, it was when I was 15. I applied for the auxiliary police a year or so ago when I wanted to get in to law enforcement. With the current state of things in NJ, I realized it was too difficult to get a job unless you know someone, so I just decided to get a better day job which has turned in to more of a career. The office I spoke to ran my info when I inquired about it and he said nothing bad came up. I just don't want to leave it out and then have it come back that I lied. I think I'm going to call to my local PD and ask if I can just speak to a liason about it.

 

Thanks!

If it wasn't court ordered it shouldn't show up. And you shouldn't be making it an issue by telling everyone.

I wouldnt put it. If it pops up id say... "holy ****, I forgot all about that!". Then ask how to resolve it.

I wouldn't worry about it it was to long ago anything you did as a minor doesn't even.need to.be disclosed

I am 32 now, it was when I was 15. I applied for the auxiliary police a year or so ago when I wanted to get in to law enforcement. With the current state of things in NJ, I realized it was too difficult to get a job unless you know someone, so I just decided to get a better day job which has turned in to more of a career. The office I spoke to ran my info when I inquired about it and he said nothing bad came up. I just don't want to leave it out and then have it come back that I lied. I think I'm going to call to my local PD and ask if I can just speak to a liason about it.

 

Thanks!

 

If you had a check done by the PD to see if you could be allowed to wear a police uniform and carry a police radio then I would be pretty confident to tell you that you are good to go.

 

When I did the aux thing in Queens it was very clear that that background check was a SERIOUS background check. I don't know how they do it in NJ, but the NYC auxilliaries actually get the complete police uniform (complete with a bullet proof vest now,

) issued to them with the only difference being that you had to take the NYPD patch off and then get the NYPD Auxilliary patch sewed on. So when you are going to be given an actual NYPD uniform with the expectation that you will be using it and walk the streets, you are getting a little bit "more," and you will need to be worthy.

 

 

So, apply, don't mention it. I think you're fine.

do yourself a favor, do a background check on yourself. Go to the nj state police site, follow the links to sagom morpho 9sp?) and select the choice to check your own background. if it does not show, you "

should be" ok, however, it might be best for you to just pay an attorney the 500 to get you the FID card to begin with....

Just my opinion IANL

do yourself a favor, do a background check on yourself. Go to the nj state police site, follow the links to sagom morpho 9sp?) and select the choice to check your own background. if it does not show, you "

should be" ok, however, it might be best for you to just pay an attorney the 500 to get you the FID card to begin with....

Just my opinion IANL

 

Won't that just show criminal type stuff? Will it show institutional kind of info?

Figured I would reply to my original thread back in 2011. Finally went and applied in early May of this year. Was finger printed within 3 weeks from applying. Found out the mental health issue bounced back when the PD called me and told me early June. Listened to my issue, told me I had either needed to find my original paperwork and eval from 17 years ago. Called around, and finally got my records. When I called to let them know, the officer said he actually didn't need them, but that I either need to have an eval from the old doctor, or find a new one. So on when the hunt. Went to a few doctors who told me they could help and then when I got there it was "no we don't do that". After contacting dozens of doctors, i was finding the only places that would help were charging over 1k to do this. So on a last ditch effort I called 10 more psychologists on the 5th of July. Within 2 days I heard back from a doctor who would do it and not charge me a small fortune. Went and had the eval done Two mondays ago. Called to follow up with the PD today, and the officer said he had not seen my letter but would check back in his mailbox since he hadn't checked today. Called me back and told me My letter was received by the PD today and that everything looked good. Just needed the chief to sign off on it. I asked how long it would be now that the letter was in. He told me within a week and that they had already done everything else, were just waiting for this letter and now all that needs to be done is type up my card.

Well I'm glad that this had a happy ending for you in that you will finally get your card. Though, I have to be honest, I think it pretty f'ed up that a record from when you were a juvenile could've/should've created a problem. Especially considering that you've had no issues as an adult for the past 17 years. Which of course has you jumping through hoops now WTF. How on earth did they even find out about this juvenile mental health record (from 17 years ago nonetheless)?? By chance, was the police dept. where the background check was performed within the same jurisdiction as the hospital where you were screened as a jv??? This one has me scratching my head.

Same question here that KramD52 has... How the hell did they find out about that? Makes me wonder what else is documented where....?

The town I grew up in is a different one than where I live now. I have no idea how that showed up considering it was court ordered. I'm just glad I get to exercise my rights and that my card will be ready within a week. Now we get to obsess over that part and try different guns out.

The town I grew up in is a different one than where I live now. I have no idea how that showed up considering it was court ordered. .

 

You mean "not" court ordered right?

 

 

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Exactly. Not court ordered

Exactly. Not court ordered

 

Is it too personal to ask how you ended up in the hospital?

 

 

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Is it too personal to ask how you ended up in the hospital?

 

 

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It's hard to explain without going into extreme details. Not that I have a problem sharing, I just don't have the time to type it all out. I went willingly to the hospital because I felt it was the only viable option on the table at the time. It's a very long story that lead up to it.

It's hard to explain without going into extreme details. Not that I have a problem sharing, I just don't have the time to type it all out. I went willingly to the hospital because I felt it was the only viable option on the table at the time. It's a very long story that lead up to it.

 

Okay but what you wrote is what i was really interested in. Your parents didn't recommend or a school counselor right? You just thought it out and showed up?

 

I am hoping at some point my parents will stop taking vacations long enough so i can ask them about this sort of thing.

 

 

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Okay but what you wrote is what i was really interested in. Your parents didn't recommend or a school counselor right? You just thought it out and showed up?

 

I am hoping at some point my parents will stop taking vacations long enough so i can ask them about this sort of thing (they ate both mental health care professionals.)

 

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Like i said, very long story. School counsellor was on board because like anything., no one at the school wanted tO deal with some of the issues I was having. I was getting into fights and acting out. No one wanted to deal with me and I believe they just wanted me gone. I was a good kid who just needed some sort of guidance and parental unit to listen. I had seen a therapist and psychiatrist a few times prior to this and because I didnt care to talk to them nor did I trust them they just said I was depressed and suggested medication. I wasn't sad, I wasn't depressed, I wasn't sick and I certainly didn't need medication. I just didn't care anymore. I grew up having a shitty childhood and when you eat shit for so long, eventually you get tired eating shit and stop caring. I had stopped caring. The path i was on was not good and i knew it. I knew I needed a change, So when the school counsellor suggested the hospital thing I looked at it almost like a vacation from the hell I was in... Quite frankly it was. Warm bed, 6 meals a day, people who seemed to care. Since I was so happy to be away from home and school and all of those problems the doctors were like "there is nothing wrong with this kid" and sent me on my way. Gave me some good tips and insight and it put things into perspective for me. After that I went to live with my grandparents and i finally had the guidance and support I had needed and Never looked back.

Like i said, very long story. School counsellor was on board because like anything., no one at the school wanted tO deal with some of the issues I was having. I was getting into fights and acting out. No one wanted to deal with me and I believe they just wanted me gone. I was a good kid who just needed some sort of guidance and parental unit to listen. I had seen a therapist and psychiatrist a few times prior to this and because I didnt care to talk to them nor did I trust them they just said I was depressed and suggested medication.

 

Gotcha. How long were you actually there and who paid for the stay? I am trying to get some of the general information here so that I can get a better handle on what is flagged and kept as a record and what is not, so please don't think I am trying to judge what kind of person you were or are.

 

 

Gotcha. How long were you actually there and who paid for the stay? I am trying to get some of the general information here so that I can get a better handle on what is flagged and kept as a record and what is not, so please don't think I am trying to judge what kind of person you were or are.

5 days and my fathers out of state insurance.

5 days and my fathers out of state insurance.

 

Hmm. The 5 days has got to be the thing here, I'm certain, despite getting a clean bill of health.

 

Why and how exactly would be interesting to find out. I'm going to put finding out in my mix of things to do when I can.

 

 

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I'd you find something out please let me know. I'd be interested in knowing as well. I was shocked that the hospital still had records. This was even before hippa was keeping records.

I'd you find something out please let me know. I'd be interested in knowing as well. I was shocked that the hospital still had records. This was even before hippa was keeping records.

 

Based on what you wrote here I have had a converstion with the members of my family that are professional mental health care practioners. Their responses would covered in caveats because what you have written has indicated the need for more questions rather than simple answers.

 

What they all agree on is that five days of observation with overnight stays as you described is in fact called "voluntary committement." I don't want to harp on this point too much because you may or may not know a lot of this, but they feel that is likley the term on your mental health records. Being committed for 5 days is all the police are going to see. What they wrote isn't going to be in the report the detective gets. Anyway, being committed to a mental health facility for five days is going to be a flag. Keep that recent report, chances are you are going to need it again.

 

You say "This was even before hippa was keeping records." What would be more acurate is this was before they had computerized records. They always keep records of who was committed. What likely happened was that all those paper records got entered into a main database sometime between the time it happened and now.

 

ANyway, there isn't to much detail here because I didn't want to get into speculation and neither did they. However I do think the above two points pretty much covers it.