I have a Jersey-legal Stag Model 2. I would like to extend the stock. If I remove it, drill and tap and reassemble with the cap screw, is that violating any NJ law?

 

Blue1

Yes. You will have in your possession the parts to create an illegal weapon. It's known as constructive possession.

You have just a stock or the whole rifle? If you possess a complete rifle or all the parts to put one together, the second you unpin the stock you would technically be illegal.

I disagree...

 

If this thought process was correct taking a stock off of a gun to change it would result in an illegal sawed off shotgun "a rifle shorter than 26 in" while the original stock was off... It would do the same during a simple barrel swap on a hunting shotgun..

 

I believe if you take the gun apart to work on it then and complete the work in one sitting...

Take upper off

Remove stock

Unpin

Adjust length

Repin

Put gun back together...

 

I believe you are fine... Because the gun is not functional while the gun is apart.. While there is no hard law I can point to I will say this.. While gun is apart it is not a complete working gun... I feel that making the gun not operational during the process illustrates intent..

I would pin it...

I disagree...

 

If this thought process was correct taking a stock off of a gun to change it would result in an illegal sawed off shotgun "a rifle shorter than 26 in" while the original stock was off... It would do the same during a simple barrel swap on a hunting shotgun..

 

I believe if you take the gun apart to work on it then and complete the work in one sitting...

Take upper off

Remove stock

Unpin

Adjust length

Repin

Put gun back together...

 

I believe you are fine... Because the gun is not functional while the gun is apart.. While there is no hard law I can point to I will say this.. While gun is apart it is not a complete working gun... I feel that making the gun not operational during the process illustrates intent..

 

You actually make a really good point, tho wouldnt constructive possession cover that? Either way obviously only if you are attracting pretty unwanted attention would this ever be an issue anyway.

I do not believe it does because there is a difference between having an AR pistol and an AR rifle.. As opposed to an AR rifle with an AR pistol upper sitting next to it... Meaning you are disassembling and working on your gun... Not maintaining a continued possession of items that when assembled create an illegal weapon.. The intent is fairly different... Complete disaemble adjustment and reassemble is different than keeping a bunch of adjustable/folding stocks piled next to your AK variant..

To be clear I admit I have no legal backing to support this stance..

The expression "pinned" has me a little confused.

 

The stock is not actually pinned, as in located with a machinist's dowel pin. It is merely held together with a hex socket cap screw; as there is only one hole, it is not "adjustable".

 

I have no desire to have an "adjustable" stock. I merely want to fit my firearm to me better than the arbitrary (short) factory placement. My plan is to unscrew the cap screw holding the stock to the buffer tube, determine where exactly I want it to be, drilling and tapping a hole in the appropriate spot, and reassembling. It would be nothing like the spring loaded locating pin design on other state's ARs that can be changed without tools by compressing the handle.

 

I feel I could stay in the letter of the law by filling the other hole with epoxy, preventing it's future use, but I don't want to do that, it is lame and defacing a fine tool in my eyes.

 

Blue1

filling the other hole is moot.. irregardless of if it locks or not.. the mere ability to slide fits (IMO) the definition of a telescoping stock..

 

measure it..

take it apart..

drill new hole..

screw in screw..

reassemble gun...

 

and I think you are fine..

filling the other hole is moot.. irregardless of if it locks or not.. the mere ability to slide fits (IMO) the definition of a telescoping stock..

 

How is it any different before the hole is drilled? With the bolt in, it is fixed, no matter what position it is in.

 

Not trying to be argumentative, just playing devil's advocate.

How is it any different before the hole is drilled? With the bolt in, it is fixed, no matter what position it is in.

 

Not trying to be argumentative, just playing devil's advocate.

 

if you have one hole.. two holes.. or 6 holes in the buffer tube it is not relevant to the law..

if the stock can move.. it is illegal.. even if there is no hole to lock the stock into..

 

I am saying if you take the gun apart adjust where it can not move.. and then make it so it can not move again.. you are good..

the point is when the rifle is operational.. the stock can not move.. doesn't matter the amount of holes.. so no need to fill the hole..

With this law in place, I just feel so much safer...

if you have one hole.. two holes.. or 6 holes in the buffer tube it is not relevant to the law..

if the stock can move.. it is illegal.. even if there is no hole to lock the stock into..

 

I am saying if you take the gun apart adjust where it can not move.. and then make it so it can not move again.. you are good..

the point is when the rifle is operational.. the stock can not move.. doesn't matter the amount of holes.. so no need to fill the hole..

 

So it would still be legal if I drilled and tapped several holes 1/2" apart?

 

Blue1

So it would still be legal if I drilled and tapped several holes 1/2" apart?

 

Blue1

if the gun is ever FUNCTIONAL while the stock can telescope.. then NO it would not be legal.. if at every moment the gun is capable of being fired.. the stock can NOT move then it is IMO legal..