This question probably been asked 100 times but can't find my answer. I want to what's legal in NJ to have? Flash hider compensator or what. Every gun I want don't seem to be legal.

I can't wait for my paper work to go threw for new Hampshire and have property there gun laws = awesome!!!!

You need to make sure it doesn't say flash hider or suppressor. If they have a BATFE certification like PWS that's even better. Battlecomps are legal, common and really good. Which were you looking at? If you are only going to use the gun in NH then why worry?

No it's for here. There two uppers I want but there flash hiders and they won't ship with out and I'll put my own and weld it.

http://www.alexanderarms.com/index.php/products.html like that upper for instance or I want a.22 cal upper or a9mm upper

I'm confused as to why New Hampshire laws matter. I read that since 2004 the BATFE has gotten out of the flash hider definition business so it's up to the states to define them.

Read posts about nh or pa both good states. And how do I or the state determine batfe

Don't put too much stock in BATFE. It's a good guideline for selection. However anything that says flash hider in the description or flash suppression is a no-no. If left to defend yourself to a court this may be the only bit of information to prove the legality of what you selected .

 

I didn't realize you were looking at a 50. I am not sure how many place you can shoot it. I think cherry ridge is 4 hours / week middle of the week. A 50 is a long way off the .22 or 9mm you mentiond earlier.

 

The device options for this barrel say muzzle break. I think they are fine.

Don't put too much stock in BATFE. It's a good guideline for selection. However anything that says flash hider in the description or flash suppression is a no-no. If left to defend yourself to a court this may be the only bit of information to prove the legality of what you selected .

 

I didn't realize you were looking at a 50. I am not sure how many place you can shoot it. I think cherry ridge is 4 hours / week middle of the week. A 50 is a long way off the .22 or 9mm you mentiond earlier.

 

The device options for this barrel say muzzle break. I think they are fine.

 

.50 Beowulf is in that link. The Cherry Ridge .50 cal limitation is for .50 BMG. A .50 Beowulf has less energy than 7.62x54R and you can shoot your mosin any time on the rifle ranges.

 

As to the subject, as stated already, Flash Hiders are out completely. We had some threads here on good muzzle breaks. like this one: http://njgunforums.com/forum/index.php?/topic/20721-nj-legal-muzzle-brakes/page__view__findpost__p__274987

Don't put too much stock in BATFE. It's a good guideline for selection. However anything that says flash hider in the description or flash suppression is a no-no. If left to defend yourself to a court this may be the only bit of information to prove the legality of what you selected .

 

I didn't realize you were looking at a 50. I am not sure how many place you can shoot it. I think cherry ridge is 4 hours / week middle of the week. A 50 is a long way off the .22 or 9mm you mentiond earlier.

 

The device options for this barrel say muzzle break. I think they are fine.

its .50 beowolf ar not .50 bmg.

thanks for the help so now i understand. ill get the barrels with no brake buy my own and permanently weld it myself

thanks for the help so now i understand. ill get the barrels with no brake buy my own and permanently weld it myself

 

Great idea but I believe that a threaded barrel together with a pistol grip meets the "substantially identical" test in NJ. Brake has to be pinned or welded before the barreled upper can be sold in New Jersey. Crowned barrel is ok.

dam. idk what to do theres three uppers i want but there all a2 flash hiders i guess i got to do more research or call the manufacture and see what they can do

I would check if an upper cant be sold threaded without muzzle device. If it is separate from the lower it's not even a gun at that point and doesn't need an ffl. I would upon receiving it have my muzzle device of choice pinned and welded on the gun.

 

Remember the las states that the guns can have two of the listed evil features in NJ. That would be the pistol grip and removable magazine, thus no collapsing stock, no threaded barrel without a pinned and welded end. Unto to itself the upper not only isn't a firearm but it will only have one evil feature and that's the threads.

 

That was me thinking out loud but I would check. If you are buying an entire rifle to an ffl this won't work.

dam. idk what to do theres three uppers i want but there all a2 flash hiders i guess i got to do more research or call the manufacture and see what they can do

 

Do the sellers offer the uppers in a post ban configuration or are they willing to swap out the FH and FSP (if applicable) for you?

Muzzle break & compensators = ok.

 

designed to hide flash = not ok

There uppers I want. Can't I buy the upper with the flash hider buy my own compensator or muzzle break and weld it myself? I do a lot of fab work and welding now at my job. So it would be easy for me.

There uppers I want. Can't I buy the upper with the flash hider buy my own compensator or muzzle break and weld it myself? I do a lot of fab work and welding now at my job. So it would be easy for me.

 

If you don't have a lower, you don't have a firearm and can't be guilty of constructive possession. If you have a complete lower and a flash hider upper, you have too many evil features.

If you don't have a lower, you don't have a firearm and can't be guilty of constructive possession. If you have a complete lower and a flash hider upper, you have too many evil features.

 

OK, this validates what I was thinking above.

i dont have the lowers. so i can purchase the uppers and get the flash hider then buy my compensators and then get my lowers?

I am not a lawyer but if you dont have any lowers you should be fine. Just get the uppers and get the work done asap (brake pinned & welded, bayo lug shaved) before you get any lowers.

I sGould email Evan napen and ask him?

so am I the only one that likes these rifles WITHOUT anything hanging off the end? Have yet to see a target rifle that uses one (not a service rifle in target use, think benchrest, varmint, ect). Plain barrel and good crown better.

 

Can't see muzzle flash in the daylight anyhow and I know your not shooting in the dark in NJ right ?

 

like we say about motorcycles chrome don't get you home, function first

No shooting in the dark unless hunting but I don't use my ar

Devices have their use, if thought out beforehand. If a person opts to fire a round per minute, off rest, then it makes sense to not put a brake on the end. If someone's uses are driven towards control and follow up shots, brakes can be a huge help. I won't get into flash hiders because that's a moot point in NJ.

 

I personally also like muzzle devices because it provides an extra layer of protection for the end of my muzzle. It's a very small chance of anything actually occurring if I knock said barrel into something, but it's also peace of mind.

 

If/when I invest in my 18'' semi-precision upper, I probably won't care if the barrel ends up crowned. However, to simply negate the concept due to one-track thinking doesn't seem too logical.

Someone at the MDTS class a few weeks ago had a regular crowned barrel. His shots were louder and threw more flame than everyone else's. Part of it could have been the ammo that was used but I don't think so. And yes - I could see muzzle flash in the daytime.

I sGould email Evan napen and ask him?

 

You can't go to jail for illegal firearms possession if you don't have a firearm.

Muzzle break & compensators = ok.

 

designed to hide flash = not ok

What if it does both? The PWS FSC556 is listed as a flash suppressing compensator. I'm looking to get a BCM 14.5"middy and am trying to figure out which comp. to get perm. installed. The 2 they offer are the PWS and Battle comp. I like the looks of the PWS but trying to avoid the grey area of NJ law. I know others on here have said its GTG but some may interpret the laws differently.

The PWS FSC556 is in the unique position of having obtained an ATF letter stating that it is NOT a flash hider

http://primaryweapons.com/store/pc/docs/FSC556.pdf

I did see that letter but I bet most actual flash suppressors would be deemed non flash suppressors after that test. I'll probably just get it anyway. Maybe I should just keep a copy of that letter in my range bag if anyone ever questions its legality or not.

I did see that letter but I bet most actual flash suppressors would be deemed non flash suppressors after that test. I'll probably just get it anyway. Maybe I should just keep a copy of that letter in my range bag if anyone ever questions its legality or not.

 

Thing is, if that were so they wouldn't have been prohibited under the 94 ban. One thing to keep in mind is that the direct form the side comparisons are about as favorable as you can get for the FSC556. go to e 3/4 front view and you can see hoe much more visible it is.

 

Here's a decently done comparison video form the side.

 

Here's one that is just the FSC556 with and without suppressor, but form 3/4 view. It gives you a good idea how much more flash you see form the front. The FSC mostly jsut keeps the gases from in front of your sights and off the ground. From the side it looks like smaller flash. From the front, it looks like tow big gas jets with an X of sparks. Even from the side, in the video above you can tell there's a massive difference between the FSC and proper flash suppressors.