Like risk their lives?

 

exactly, WTF.

So, which shotty did you use, how many rounds and of what, or did you not have enough notice to prepare properly???

is that code for "Strip down to his Skivvies"??????

I see a reason for valid work CCW. How can they turn that down when you are in fact turning into a security officer at that point and would be in the direct line of fire.

I see a reason for valid work CCW. How can they turn that down when you are in fact turning into a security officer at that point and would be in the direct line of fire.

 

Ask for supplemental pay when working as a security officer.

...u mean CLEAN the hallways!

 

Just give him a street sweeper...

If someone is there to do serious harm, chances are they are prepared with weapons, and you would be not.

 

If something warrants a "lock-down" why don't they just lock all the doors and call the police? I know its the whole "when seconds count, the police are only minutes away" thing, but hopefully locking the doors would slow them down.

Okay, here's the deal. I work for board of education and part of my job is to fill in as a custodian/boiler operator at schools where someone is out sick or injured. Well, the principal wanted to have a "lock-down drill" which I've never done before as the custodian. So, she tells me what I have to do. It's basically for an unknown person has entered the school or is on school grounds. Check this crap out! She calls over the mic, "the school is in lock-down". All the teachers must lock all the classroom doors with the students inside and my job is to walk the halls making sure no one prohibited is there. Okay, so I'm supposed to be live bait or something? I mean really, save the teachers and the kids, eff the janitors since they are dirty people that just clean the bathrooms. This is ridiculous, but it's state law. Nice right!?!

 

What's your issue? It's a test, a simulation. You're contribution to that is to confirm the results of the exercise. You should be proud that you're part of an exercise that could save a kid's life someday.

What's your issue? It's a test, a simulation. You're contribution to that is to confirm the results of the exercise. You should be proud that you're part of an exercise that could save a kid's life someday.

 

Yep, because a mop and bucket is such an effective defense against an armed assailant. This would work if the custodian were given a weapon they can use to defend themselves and neutralize the threat.

So I'm not a hero, I definitely would not defend your children if a person decided to storm a school unless I was carrying my own firearm. I don't mean to piss off any parents as I am not one myself but your kids life is not greater than my own. Your kid lives and I die, GTFO with that noise. I'll call the police, I'll try to lock the gunman in a certain part of the school but I will not confront him head on unless I am packing my own firearm. Ray Ray I think you should talk to your union about this. I quote: "Nah. Boy, dying is easy. There is nothing heroic about dying. But if you can take a stand for something you'd be willing to kill for, that is something, something special", guess what, your children are not that special to me.

So I'm not a hero, I definitely would not defend your children if a person decided to storm a school unless I was carrying my own firearm. I don't mean to piss off any parents as I am not one myself but your kids life is not greater than my own. Your kid lives and I die, GTFO with that noise. I'll call the police, I'll try to lock the gunman in a certain part of the school but I will not confront him head on unless I am packing my own firearm. Ray Ray I think you should talk to your union about this. I quote: "Nah. Boy, dying is easy. There is nothing heroic about dying. But if you can take a stand for something you'd be willing to kill for, that is something, something special", guess what, your children are not that special to me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u1cbZTwBx4

Yep call me Castanza if you want...

Either some of you are just f*king around or have missed the point. There's no way in hell that he's being asked to check for clear hallways if/when a real invasion ever occurs. For this test/simulation, yes, he's being asked to walk the halls to make sure the kids dispersed like they were supposed to do and no linger in then hallways. What's wrong with that?

I love the instant tactical solutions to a non existent problem. Ray... evade and cover baby just evade and cover.

I'd leave and go get breakfast or lunch while evryones hiding, maybe even hit a titty bar.

 

The last place you want to be is walking the hall when the swat team shows up looking for someone

I can't believe you guys are joking around for something that should be taken a bit more seriously. What if your kids were attending this school in question? I guess you'd not want them to practice and exercise in being prepared? Wow.

is that code for "Strip down to his Skivvies"??????

 

Please don't do that, we already have a picture we have seen that can been unseen.

I can't believe you guys are joking around for something that should be taken a bit more seriously. What if your kids were attending this school in question? I guess you'd not want them to practice and exercise in being prepared? Wow.

 

That school district doesn't have a plan. They're just going through the motions to satisfy some requirement. An unarmed civilian is not capable of stopping an armed intruder, maybe in the movies, but not in these circumstances. Better to go home to your wife/girlfriend and children than to be a dead hero.

I can't believe you guys are joking around for something that should be taken a bit more seriously. What if your kids were attending this school in question? I guess you'd not want them to practice and exercise in being prepared? Wow.

Trust me, after you've gone through a hand full of these as a student it turns into one big steaming pile of joke. These drills were a knee jerk reaction to Columbine and much later, Virginia Tech. If a situation were to really occur, no one would listen, they'd all run for their lives.

 

You know what gets me about these drills? All the kids sitting in a corner. We all know that criminals use child seeking, nuclear tipped bullets with a 1,000 round capacity. So why hide? I mean resistance IS futile, right?

That school district doesn't have a plan. They're just going through the motions to satisfy some requirement. An unarmed civilian is not capable of stopping an armed intruder, maybe in the movies, but not in these circumstances. Better to go home to your wife/girlfriend and children than to be a dead hero.

 

 

I know that. I'm not that much of a dumb*a**. It's not my understanding he's being asked to do that in a real live situation. Just in this simulation/exercise.

We have these drills in my school pretty much monthly. I once had a classroom with doors that didn't lock. I put all the kids into the bathroom and waited by the door with a broom. When the principal walked in I jumped out and swung stopping well before I hit them. Wouldn't you know they installed a lock the following week.

I know that. I'm not that much of a dumb*a**. It's not my understanding he's being asked to do that in a real live situation. Just in this simulation/exercise.

And isn't the whole point of the simulation/exercise to practice in case the school actually goes on a real lockdown because of an active shooter and he ends up having to play hall monitor? What then?

And isn't the whole point of the simulation/exercise to practice in case the school actually goes on a real lockdown because of an active shooter and he ends up having to play hall monitor? What then?

 

 

I'd almost gaurentee the school or school district would not be asking him to peform that duty in a real situation. I don't beleive they'd be allowed to do that by law, let alone the moral challenges of asking him to do that. That being said, if I was him and the real situation really did happen, I could see myself doing what I could to ensure those kids are as safe as possible.

I'd almost gaurentee the school or school district would not be asking him to peform that duty in a real situation. I don't beleive they'd be allowed to do that by law, let alone the moral challenges of asking him to do that. That being said, if I was him and the real situation really did happen, I could see myself doing what I could to ensure those kids are as safe as possible.

 

Then what are they asking me to do? I'm walking the hallways looking for someone that doesn't belong. If this really did happen, I'm not sure I could let a gunman murder children and I'd find something to use to take him out. I know the school better than him and I could ambush him, at best. But if it's a bad situation, I'm beating feet.

Then what are they asking me to do?

 

That's really the question you should ask your employer. Are they asking you to fill in temporarily in a drill, or are they actually expecting you to stay behind in a building, walking the halls with a potentially dangerous criminal around?

 

If they ARE expecting an untrained civilian to stay behind in a dangerous situation, then I would seriously have a problem with that.

Maybe I've totally missed it then. I thought they were asking you, for the purpose of this drill/exercise to case the hallways after the "lockdown command" has been given to make sure the students cleared the halls like they were supposed to. That's it.

Then what are they asking me to do? I'm walking the hallways looking for someone that doesn't belong. If this really did happen, I'm not sure I could let a gunman murder children and I'd find something to use to take him out. I know the school better than him and I could ambush him, at best. But if it's a bad situation, I'm beating feet.

 

Don't bother getting an answer from the school. Talk to the police. They will be the ones coming through the door with the guns. I would bet they have a more useful answer than the people on the school payroll.

(If it were me I would looking to give the police a master key and any kind of floorplan).

 

I am no expert in these kind of thing, but I do have plenty of experience with people with authority in certain organizations making arbitrary decisions about safety just because they feel they have to have an answer for everything.

Maybe I've totally missed it then. I thought they were asking you, for the purpose of this drill/exercise to case the hallways after the "lockdown command" has been given to make sure the students cleared the halls like they were supposed to. That's it.

 

I believe this is true. This is likely some protocal for drills that someone thought should be a mandate.

 

Probably just poorly outlined to Ray, or just not thought out. In any case, I sure wouldn't be doing that in a real active shooter scenario, and I would let them know it so's they can come up with a smarter plan.

Your new job description- Hall Ninja. Now you can get the district to pay for sim training etc...

Maybe I've totally missed it then. I thought they were asking you, for the purpose of this drill/exercise to case the hallways after the "lockdown command" has been given to make sure the students cleared the halls like they were supposed to. That's it.

 

This is part of what they want, to make sure there are no school personnel or students in the halls. But the point of the lock-down drill is that someone is on school grounds and needs to be located. So, there in lies the problem. Am I acting as a security force or to make sure the staff and students are in the classrooms?

I see no better man for the job than Ray Ray! I do suggest you go with what you have on hand instead of arming up to stop the intruder. You don't want the cops coming in seeing you armed. Armed peopl in NJ are criminals, seeing a persons with a gun is how they tell the person is a criminal. I'd go with a broken off broom handle and crawl through the cell to get the drop from above. I have faith in you buddy! Take that guy out, keep the children safe, and get all the glory.