So, we had this terrible tragedy here in Bayonne yesterday, in which a husband-father lost it and slaughtered three of his family members before turning a gun on himself.

 

I've got my clock running on how long it takes these feckless politicians in this city, county and state to use this act of senselessness to further their A-G agenda.

 

My guess is almost immediately. Rumor has it (although I hate to spread rumors) that the family was here illegally from Central America, making it hard to believe this idiot possessed a valid FID/PP for the weapon. This should make it difficult for the anti's to push for even more stringent laws that citizens and folks here legally would have to knuckle-under to, but I'll bet they'll try.

Here's the link to the story: http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2011/12/bayonne_massacre_infant_among.html

Yikes - that's close to Ray Ray's house.

my uncle lives on avenue a

Crazy, but given the current economic climate and unemployment rate I'm surprised we don't see this more often. Assuming this was a "family annihilator" type situation.

I have a couple of close friends who are Dominican's. They tell me that outside of the tourist areas, DR sucks hard. One went down for a 2 week stay, after nearly getting robbed on the second day ended up just hanging out in his family's villa, bored to tears. It's no wonder they come here.

 

 

Oh, I should have added this...the Neighbor said the following which is why I mentioned the Dominican Republic.

 

Angelo Ortega, 63, said he walks his dog past the house around 6 every morning, and often stopped to speak with a man at that address. He said the man, a Dominican, kept an impressive vegetable garden.

I have a couple of close friends who are Dominican's. They tell me that outside of the tourist areas, DR sucks hard. One went down for a 2 week stay, after nearly getting robbed on the second day ended up just hanging out in his family's villa, bored to tears. It's no wonder they come here.

 

The economic conditions down there are not the best to say the least. If you go to any of the tourist towns you will not have any problems at all, it's very safe in those areas. Now when I go down there the wife kid and I stay at the resorts and we are just fine. Now when we go visit family we are well out of the tourist area and we don't go anyplace unarmed. It's really not that bad, but you do have to know where you are and whats going on around you. Our vehicle down there has tinted windows, so people who might rob you will pick another car, see they have no idea how many people are in there when they can't see in. Another thing is we don't wear anything that sticks out, so that makes us less of a target. It's sad that it is that way and has gotten worse that last few years but it's still not as bad as some places in Mexico and other locations around the world.

 

For vacationers, just go to the resorts and you will have no problem and the time of your life, it's a lot of fun down there.

How about a blacked out range rover? Or is that too much?

Yeah, not a good situation for all.

The economic conditions down there are not the best to say the least. If you go to any of the tourist towns you will not have any problems at all, it's very safe in those areas. Now when I go down there the wife kid and I stay at the resorts and we are just fine. Now when we go visit family we are well out of the tourist area and we don't go anyplace unarmed. It's really not that bad, but you do have to know where you are and whats going on around you. Our vehicle down there has tinted windows, so people who might rob you will pick another car, see they have no idea how many people are in there when they can't see in. Another thing is we don't wear anything that sticks out, so that makes us less of a target. It's sad that it is that way and has gotten worse that last few years but it's still not as bad as some places in Mexico and other locations around the world.

 

For vacationers, just go to the resorts and you will have no problem and the time of your life, it's a lot of fun down there.

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My family is from the DR and visit several times a year.

The previous occasions that I have gone were trips from the airport to resort and back to the airport.

The country is in rough shape.

Many desperate people who will do desperate things to survive.

Sucks, but it could be worse. Just look at Haiti across the boarder.

 

 

My guess is almost immediately. Rumor has it (although I hate to spread rumors) that the family was here illegally from Central America, making it hard to believe this idiot possessed a valid FID/PP for the weapon. This should make it difficult for the anti's to push for even more stringent laws that citizens and folks here legally would have to knuckle-under to, but I'll bet they'll try.

 

I bet you are right! The thing you are forgetting, is that one of the antis main arguments is that guns are simply bad, in any capacity, and should be banned outright. If there is an outright ban, people wouldn't be able to get them, either legally or illegally, so this would never have happened.

 

Of course that is ridiculous and I don't blame anybody for not thinking about that. But that is something they try.

 

Terrible tragedy btw.

How about a blacked out range rover? Or is that too much?

 

That works. when we travel we have a 9mm semi auto, a 357 revolver and a FA Siaga 12, I think were covered..

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My family is from the DR and visit several times a year.

The previous occasions that I have gone were trips from the airport to resort and back to the airport.

The country is in rough shape.

Many desperate people who will do desperate things to survive.

Sucks, but it could be worse. Just look at Haiti across the boarder.

 

The area we go to when visiting family is outside the Lavega area, a little town called Kuputoo, not really that bad overall but some of the surrounding areas can get dicey. Where abouts is your family from?

I have a customer on avenua A i will have to look up his address to see how close he was..

 

I forgot he moved this spring to w 30th st..

 

His brother was a police officer who past from cancer he hard time last year..

The area we go to when visiting family is outside the Lavega area, a little town called Kuputoo, not really that bad overall but some of the surrounding areas can get dicey. Where abouts is your family from?

They are from the San Francisco De Macoris area and the surrounding countryside. But we have family all over the island.

Also same boat as you, my father carries will in the DR.

So, we had this terrible tragedy here in Bayonne yesterday, in which a husband-father lost it and slaughtered three of his family members before turning a gun on himself.

 

My guess is almost immediately. Rumor has it (although I hate to spread rumors) that the family was here illegally from Central America, making it hard to believe this idiot possessed a valid FID/PP for the weapon. This should make it difficult for the anti's to push for even more stringent laws that citizens and folks here legally would have to knuckle-under to, but I'll bet they'll try.

 

The guy that did the killing was a male nurse who made a little over 30 bucks an hour, and the family, at least the immediate family were not illegal. My wife was just taking about it, being her cousin was friends with the family. That's all I know for now, if she hears any credible information I'll pass it along, but I think this is all the info I will get.

Wow. That sucks. Unfortunately I think you are right in assuming that the antigunnuts will be taking to the streets to ban guns of any type if they can. Really sucks. My prayers go out to the surviving family members.

 

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Since my OP the facts became a lot clearer...like mud. The shooter killed his estranged wife, a male friend of hers--who may, or may not have been involved with her romantically, as he already lived with another woman in Bergen County, and the friend's young child, before turning the gun on himself. The neighbor I spoke to right after the shooting has been in that neighborhood since birth, and has had a hard time dealing with the influx of foreign-speaking/appearing neighbors, so I believe he just made the "illegal" assumption. The SL and Jersey Journal provided an update today which mentions BATFE's involvement in tracing the murder weapon; the shooter's recent foray to a Pennsylvania gun range to practice with a .45, and his "abnormal interest" in firearms.

 

http://www.nj.com/jjournal-news/index.ssf/2011/12/gun_used_in_bayonne_triple_mur.html

and his "abnormal interest" in firearms.

 

 

Wonder what that means??

Wonder what that means??

 

That is attributed to the doctor for whom the shooter's estranged wife worked.

That means that the libtarded media will pin a label like that on ALL of us if anything bad should happen.

So, we had this terrible tragedy here in Bayonne yesterday, in which a husband-father lost it and slaughtered three of his family members before turning a gun on himself.

 

I've got my clock running on how long it takes these feckless politicians in this city, county and state to use this act of senselessness to further their A-G agenda.

 

My guess is almost immediately. Rumor has it (although I hate to spread rumors) that the family was here illegally from Central America, making it hard to believe this idiot possessed a valid FID/PP for the weapon. This should make it difficult for the anti's to push for even more stringent laws that citizens and folks here legally would have to knuckle-under to, but I'll bet they'll try.

 

He didn't

He didn't

 

There is a tragic event and not to make light of it at all, but it is a positive that he wasn't a FID holder, less ammo for the Anti's so to speak, and a positive for Pro Gun folks being everyone I know what is an owner is for more punishment for REAL firearms offenses.

I bet you are right! The thing you are forgetting, is that one of the antis main arguments is that guns are simply bad, in any capacity, and should be banned outright. If there is an outright ban, people wouldn't be able to get them, either legally or illegally, so this would never have happened.

 

Of course that is ridiculous and I don't blame anybody for not thinking about that. But that is something they try.

 

Terrible tragedy btw.

 

At that point I mention "India"... guns are banned yet firearms [murders] are amongst the highest in the world. Usually they resort to calling me a "simpleton" or "right wing extremist" by that point.

At that point I mention "India"... guns are banned yet firearms [murders] are amongst the highest in the world. Usually they resort to calling me a "simpleton" or "right wing extremist" by that point.

 

No you learned history, and remember what has happened in every single society that did this, and it will be repeated, but I hope never here..

There is a tragic event and not to make light of it at all, but it is a positive that he wasn't a FID holder, less ammo for the Anti's so to speak, and a positive for Pro Gun folks being everyone I know what is an owner is for more punishment for REAL firearms offenses.

 

Doesnt matter, the Anti Spin Doctors will STILL try and put this on us.

Lots of criminals use glocks. Those should probably be banned. I'll bet this was a glock just like that Arizona thing.