I know I know, 22LR for rodents and such. But I'm a firm believer in shot placement. Is there any good defensive 22 ammo out there?

 

BTW, this will be used in a pocket gun.

I dont know about 22lr but I think it was speer who came out with a 22mag defensive round for that new keltec pistol.

I can see you with a S&W 617, and the way you shoot, and be effective.

If you take a head shot w/ a 22LR do you know where it comes out?

 

If you take a center mass shot w/ a 22LR do you know where it comes out?

 

Right nobody does It generally just goes round and round...

Maybe one of these?

 

 

Keep in mind those are out of a 20" barrel.. and who knows how well his ballistics gel is calibrated, so take it for what it's worth.

It must be effective the Israeli's have always used this round for discreet work. Which means it had to incapacitate quickly. So I would say yes at close range and multiple shots. The 22lr round has a tendency to bounce around like a pinball. Not leaving a wide path but a longer path and all that is needed is nicking an organ or artery.

Looking for ammo options, not opinions girls.

Aguila makes a Hyper Velocity .22 hollow point - 30 gr. at 1750-ish fps. After conducting exhaustive scientific tests (wow this looks cool I think I'll buy a box for $2.75 from Natchez) I've determined it is a high velocity hollow point round that shoots fine in my 22/45.

 

I've also determined this round has equivalent paper penetration capabilities as my 9mm CZ-75.

 

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/2506218194/aguila-super-maximum-ammunition-22-long-rifle-30-grain-hyper-velocity-plated-lead-hollow-point

I've also determined this round has equivalent paper penetration capabilities as my 9mm CZ-75.

 

 

hollow points in a pocket gun is meaningless, no?

hollow points in a pocket gun is meaningless, no?

 

From what I have seen, and this has no backing, I doubt a HP 22 does any more damage than a round nose 22LR on the idea that the HP expands causing a larger wound track. The only thing I could see if,, a big if, is if the HP slowed down the bullet upon entry just a little it might help keeping it from passing through and just do the pinball deal inside causing the most damage. just my theory, but it does sound good..

 

ETA: Pocket gun or Rifle, I see it as a situation that for self defense you would be using it in close proximity, so I doubt it would really make a difference, if anything, the slower FPS from a handgun might help a pass through.

I think I'll stick with solid bullets. Now, should I stay with CCI's?

I think I'll stick with solid bullets. Now, should I stay with CCI's?

 

I'd stick with what ever shoot best and is the most reliable in your gun..

I think I'll stick with solid bullets. Now, should I stay with CCI's?

 

Out of the 1000s of 22s I fired , Ive never had a dud with CCI mini mags, when firing federal bulk 22s I'll have a few per brick.

From what I have seen, and this has no backing, I doubt a HP 22 does any more damage than a round nose 22LR on the idea that the HP expands causing a larger wound track.

 

I think there are some squirrels and other small critters and varmint that might disagree!

 

 

ETA: Pocket gun or Rifle, I see it as a situation that for self defense you would be using it in close proximity, so I doubt it would really make a difference, if anything, the slower FPS from a handgun might help a pass through.

 

For a pocket gun, with not much of a barrel, it might not make much a difference, but who knows, (I'm sure somebody!), but not this guy.

 

 

[by "this guy" I mean me. Just wanted to clarify]

My take on it is go with a lighter bullet and maximum velocity. If you are talking REAL up close and personal in a short barrel, the more gas coming out the end of the gun after you poke the initial hole, the more of a mess it will make in there if it is a shot from muzzle contact distance. Semi auto would do better than a revolver in this scenario, I would guess, due to the cylinder gap venting some of the gas.

 

Also if you want a hollow point that works, google the paco kelly maxi nasti-nose.

 

What you are going to need is all the velocity you can get for a short pocket gun barrel.

My take on it is go with a lighter bullet and maximum velocity. If you are talking REAL up close and personal in a short barrel, the more gas coming out the end of the gun after you poke the initial hole, the more of a mess it will make in there if it is a shot from muzzle contact distance. Semi auto would do better than a revolver in this scenario, I would guess, due to the cylinder gap venting some of the gas.

 

Also if you want a hollow point that works, google the paco kelly maxi nasti-nose.

 

What you are going to need is all the velocity you can get for a short pocket gun barrel.

 

That's what I'm thinking too. A light, solid bullet moving fast. I need penetration.

Obviously, using something like a .22LR for HD/SD, things like shot-placement and penetration are key, even moreso than with higher calibers. Here are a few links that provide some info that may give you an idea what of to look for in making your decision.

 

http://www.firearmstactical.com/test_data/22lr/cci22-32stgr-r2245.htm

 

http://www.firearmstactical.com/test_data/22lr/agu22-30smhv-r2245.htm

 

http://stevespages.com/page8f22rf.html

I can give you a list of what NOT to use Ray... Whatever your choice, do NOT select Remington Golden Bullets. In fact, I would stay away from any bulk packed 22 round. I usually use CCI.

Good stuff, good stuff. I've always shot 22s out of a revolver so jamming isn't something I'm used to. Although my MK II loved to jam on anything and everything.

Solid bullet, CCI mini mag... IMO

That's what I'm thinking too. A light, solid bullet moving fast. I need penetration.

That's what she said.

 

I can give you a list of what NOT to use Ray... Whatever your choice, do NOT select Remington Golden Bullets. In fact, I would stay away from any bulk packed 22 round. I usually use CCI.

What he said

 

CCI is the way to go. It depends if it's an auto or a wheel gun Ray. Some auto's have issues with hollow points. What kind of pocket gun is it? Some loads pack quite a punch (for a .22 anyway) and are meant for bolt action rifles.

That's what I'm thinking too. A light, solid bullet moving fast. I need penetration.

 

Aguila Interceptor 40 gr solid is the hottest 22 I have fired based on report and the felt recoil such as it is. Hotter than Stinger if that indicates anything. Aguila claims 1470 FPS, 192 ft lbs ME.

Numbers seemed pretty close thru Mak's chrono.

Aguila Interceptor 40 gr solid is the hottest 22 I have fired based on report and the felt recoil such as it is. Hotter than Stinger if that indicates anything. Aguila claims 1470 FPS, 192 ft lbs ME.

 

 

Along these same lines is the Aquila Super Maximum. It's supposed to be just a bit of a hotter round than the Interceptor. I've not seen or tried either, as of yet.

CCI Mini Mag solid nose. Never had one issue with that round and pretty potent as far as 22LR goes.

CCI seems to have the best 22 stuff around. I think that's what I'll use.