Echoes Sentinel

Posted: Friday, December 9, 2011 3:00 am | Updated: 12:22 pm, Wed Dec 7, 2011.

 

Gun law proposal is lunacy

 

What are we thinking here?

New Jersey has one of the most stringent gun laws in the nation. For good reason.

 

 

Yet, we in this most densely populated urban state have still been stung by the tragic results born by lax gun-toting laws in other states, like Pennsylvania.

Now under proposed federal legislation, backed in the House by the area’s two Republican congressmen, Rodney Frelinghuysen, R-11, and Leonard Lance, R-7, that could get even worse.

 

Read more garbage and my comments at the link: http://newjerseyhill...f4.html?cbst=21

 

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Guess I have to wait for my comment to be approved, why would I think they would recognize my 1st Amendment

Rights when they clearly apposed to me exercising my 2nd Amendment Rights.

Guess I have to wait for my comment to be approved, why would I think they would recognize my 1st Amendment

Rights when they clearly apposed to me exercising my 2nd Amendment Rights.

 

And therein lies the entire debate. Is 2A a federal right or a state right? Although initially, freedom of speech was only a federal right and states did not need to respect it, The Supreme Court has long held that the first amendment applies to states in addition to Federal gov't. The Supreme Court has only held that the second amendment applies to states since McDonald v Chicago last year.

And therein lies the entire debate. Is 2A a federal right or a state right? Although initially, freedom of speech was only a federal right and states did not need to respect it, The Supreme Court has long held that the first amendment applies to states in addition to Federal gov't. The Supreme Court has only held that the second amendment applies to states since McDonald v Chicago last year.

 

Not Exactly..... The US Constitution's Limitations on Govt (Remember the Constitution does NOT GRANT ANY RIGHTS..it protects Creator-Endowed Rights from infringement by the Govt), were meant for the Federal Govt ONLY. The States ALL Have their own Constitutions, which were to provide the same protections on the State levels. When States violated those protections, then used the STATE-Level courts to Affirm those violations, they were then brought to the Federal level, whreupon SCOTUS stepped in and applied the 14th Ammendment Protections and "Incorporated" parts of the Constitution to apply to the States as well. Remember the NJ State Constitution NEVER, EVER Had a provision for an RKBA. NJ could have, before McDonald, Completely banned all firearms, and still been within the letter of the Law. About the only reason they never did was because they knew that it would be a Loser in front of SCOTUS.

More gun control? Camden is currently ranked the 2nd most dangerous city in the U.S. and has had 16 homicides in the last two months and about 42 so far for the year. Yeah, that gun control thing is really working... NOT! I guess the criminals just don't get it.

Not Exactly..... The US Constitution's Limitations on Govt (Remember the Constitution does NOT GRANT ANY RIGHTS..it protects Creator-Endowed Rights from infringement by the Govt), were meant for the Federal Govt ONLY. The States ALL Have their own Constitutions, which were to provide the same protections on the State levels. When States violated those protections, then used the STATE-Level courts to Affirm those violations, they were then brought to the Federal level, whreupon SCOTUS stepped in and applied the 14th Ammendment Protections and "Incorporated" parts of the Constitution to apply to the States as well. Remember the NJ State Constitution NEVER, EVER Had a provision for an RKBA. NJ could have, before McDonald, Completely banned all firearms, and still been within the letter of the Law. About the only reason they never did was because they knew that it would be a Loser in front of SCOTUS.

 

Actually, it makes no sense to assume that the US Constitution only applied to the FedGov and not the rest... Especially from a logical standpoint... But it's all moot thanks to the 14th Amendment.

 

Actually, it makes no sense to assume that the US Constitution only applied to the FedGov and not the rest... Especially from a logical standpoint... But it's all moot thanks to the 14th Amendment.

I would suggest reading it...

Remember the NJ State Constitution NEVER, EVER Had a provision for an RKBA

Which is truly ironic given that NJ was the first state to ratify the "Bill of Rights" and within those 10 Amendments is that pesky one that our dear leaders continue to ignore.

I would suggest reading it...

 

I suggest you do the same... outside of Amendments which specifically call out 'Congress', the Bill of Rights was intended to protect us from all levels of Gov't. Remember... the 2nd Amendment says "...the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed'. Notice how no mention is made regarding who this amendment is limiting from infringing on the particular right...

 

Again, logically, it also makes no sense to assume that the BoR was ever intended just for the Federal Government.... Assuming so also opens you up to the fact that a state can violate all your rights and face no repercussion. They can ban your guns, quarter the state militia in your house, seize your property, toss you in jail with no trial, ram you in the behind with a broomstick while in the slammer. America didn't fight a war against Britain just to allow the States to curtail the rights of their citizens at their own free will. It's unfortunate that this interpretation of the BoR persisted as long as it did as it directly led to a Civil War and years of Civil Rights violations...

 

Personally, I feel that this is all due to a weak Supreme Court which doesn't really play its role properly in the Govt' Balance of Power. SCOTUS should have be reviewing EVERY law Congress passes, and every Executive Order issued by the President before allowing them to take affect to ensure their compliance with the US Constitution. Not waiting until someone files a lawsuit through the court system to challenge the laws when they are already in place.

 

The founding father wrote an excellent requirements document to build a nation founded on liberty, but forgot the user manual needed to execute it.

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I suggest you do the same... outside of Amendments which specifically call out 'Congress', the Bill of Rights was intended to protect us from all levels of Gov't. Remember... the 2nd Amendment says "...the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed'. Notice how no mention is made regarding who this amendment is limiting from infringing on the particular right...

 

Again, logically, it also makes no sense to assume that the BoR was ever intended just for the Federal Government.... Assuming so also opens you up to the fact that a state can violate all your rights and face no repercussion. They can ban your guns, quarter the state militia in your house, seize your property, toss you in jail with no trial, ram you in the behind with a broomstick while in the slammer. America didn't fight a war against Britain just to allow the States to curtail the rights of their citizens at their own free will. It's unfortunate that this interpretation of the BoR persisted as long as it did as it directly led to a Civil War and years of Civil Rights violations...

 

Personally, I feel that this is all due to a weak Supreme Court which doesn't really play its role properly in the Govt' Balance of Power. SCOTUS should have be reviewing EVERY law Congress passes, and every Executive Order issued by the President before allowing them to take affect to ensure their compliance with the US Constitution. Not waiting until someone files a lawsuit through the court system to challenge the laws when they are already in place.

 

The founding father wrote an excellent requirements document to build a nation founded on liberty, but forgot the user manual needed to execute it.

 

Exactly... the bill of RIGHTS are God given rights that the government can NEVER take away. States rights merely have to with how they conduct business, lay taxes,etc and can not be forced by the federal government to conform to certain "items" outside of what the Constitution states.