So last year I was planning to move to NJ, my wife got a job in Mahwah, North Bergen. Well we changed our minds and moved across the border into Rockland County, NY. I recently got back into shooting after a year of not shooting. My bachelor party (we shot my Kriss and some Full Auto in vegas) and a night time shoot with NVGs and IR in Pittsburgh, PA got me interested again in shooting. I looked around to find something other than indoor/outdoor ranges with stagnant paper targets with circles on them. The targets could have people on it but standing/sitting at a bench and shooting down range is boring to me. So i looked for some shooting clubs in North Jersey but none of them allow Pistol Caliber Carbine. I havent gotten my NY state pistol license and I need one just to touch a pistol.

 

Luckily i found the Northern Westchester Rifle Association. NWRA-NY.org they hold monthly Pistol Action Shooting Matches along with shotgun and high power.

 

Anyway last Sunday we had another Action Shooting match. I ran the Kriss dirty to see what happens. Not good. a couple jams got in my way. But it was fun.

 

POV of my Kriss.

 

 

 

Video of some of the other competitors.

Are these NRA Sanctioned events? Most of us in NJ won't be able to do the pistol part unless they are

I honestly dont know. I could find out. Or you can ask on their forum. I just joined and since I dont have a pistol or license, I havent looked into it.

Was it pistol caliber carbines only, or were people using AR15s and other higher powered rifles?

Was it pistol caliber carbines only, or were people using AR15s and other higher powered rifles?

 

This type of match is only pistol and pistol caliber rifles.

 

We have a high power match coming up but that is 200 yd engagements.

 

Last month they had a Shotgun Action shoot similar to the Pistol Action shoots.

 

Here is my video of the Shotgun stages. I havent shot a shotgun in over 10 years. I think i did pretty well.

 

Not bad. How come you were loading single shells each time and not extras into the tube? That would have saved you some time...

Not bad. How come you were loading single shells each time and not extras into the tube? That would have saved you some time...

 

As I said, I havent shot a shotgun in a long time. I had just recently watched Magpul Dynamics Art of the Tactical Shotgun and I was playing around with some of their concepts. Such as their Combat reload.

 

The biggest problems are my right arm is weak and holding up a long gun like that gets tiring haha. Secondly my dump pouch has shells oriented in all sorts of positions. If I was reloading off a side saddle or shell caddy I think my times would be slightly lower.

 

I was more interested in testing out different methods of shooting. I dont have a shotgun yet so i cant practice on my own. So i wasnt too concerned about my time. My priority was to have fun shooting and re-familiarize myself with shooting a shotgun in a more tactical event. Last time I shot a shotgun was with my dad hunting small gameland dove in Yuma, AZ over 10 years ago. Hunting birds with a 3 rd limit is not the same as this type of shooting haha.

 

Even trap and skeet are not quite the same. I sold my Hipoint carbine and plan to buy my friend's railed and M4 stocked Mossberg 500 in January when i see him. I plan to play some 3 gun competitions and am building an AR. I cant do anything about the pistol issue now. So either I find matches that will turn a blind eye to the Kriss or we go out of state and I borrow someone's pistol.

 

Im just getting into firearm shooting and having a blast.

At a recent 3gun match here, I used a general purpose pouch, however I oriented all of the shells in 1 direction before shooting. I did the single shell reload then loaded the tube. With a semi auto like the 11-87, the best way is to grab 3 or 4 shells at a time, toss one in the chamber, then come back up on the other side and hit the release with another shell then push them into the tube.

here is a video on weak hand reloading using a caddy

http://3gunnation.com/news/the_weak-hand_shotgun_reload

A google search will give you more links

Well the first stage was my second stage that I shot. I shot the last stage first. Since it was only 3 steel and 6 slugs for 3 paper targets, I could load the 1187 to 9 rounds and not worry about reloads. I rotated to Stage one and wanted to see how the combat reload would work in that situation. It has its time and place. I should have reloaded as you said. But oh well. I will try it next match.

http://3gn.ar15.com/forums/t_13_7/1_Shotgun_Reloading_Video_Tutorials__Weakhand__Stronghand__Side_Saddle_and_the_2x2_.html

Here is a video of some of the other members shooting the shotgun stage. Watch the second stage (I called it stage 1 earlier, I forgot about the clays) Watch the guy with the benelli. Speedloaders are fast with lots of practice. But in the last two targets he wasted so much time fiddling with his speedloader when he could have just dropped a shell in the chamber and shot the target.

 

Yeah there's certain situations where a quick load is much faster than the speed loaders. Those speed loaders weren't very speedy - and it looked like they only fed 2 or 3 rounds each - strange.

Yeah there's certain situations where a quick load is much faster than the speed loaders. Those speed loaders weren't very speedy - and it looked like they only fed 2 or 3 rounds each - strange.

No offense to anyone in the video;

Speedloaders work in the right hands and in a shotgun tuned for it.

Don't know the shooter or if the M2 is setup correctly.

However even the most finely tuned machines hiccup once in awhile.

The guy with the Benelli I just blame operator error and lack of practice. But he should have known to drop a shell for each of those last two targets standing.

 

He commented on my reload and wondered if I was left handed. I said no. I prefer to reload weak side. He said right hand reloads are faster. However my weakhand reload is consistent with my carbine and hand gun reloads. Gotta train that left hand to do something other than hold up the front of my Kriss haha.

That makes no sense to me. Why wouldn't you reload with your off hand? Your strong side hand should always be on the gun, keeping it pointed in a proper direction. In combat, you wouldn't take your firing hand off the grip - so you can engage immediately if need be.

 

ALL of my reloads come from my left hand (weak side) - doesn't matter if it's my pistol, my shotgun, or my rifle.

For competition, you want to load the shotgun as fast as you can in whatever manner you feel comfortable with.

Many shooters load with their strong hand, it is pretty common.

Can't comment on combat reloading.

video strong hand reloading

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ew8p2blUYf0&feature=related

Ahh true - competition if you have your shells in front like that, it's easier to shift the gun back and pull them from the clips like that.

 

From personal experience (and I'm not THAT experienced), I keep my reloads on my left side of my body and pull them from there.

 

MDTS Combat carbine class taught us to keep our strong hand on the gun so we can sight in and fire faster than if we had to take our hand off.

Daniel Horner is probably one of the best, or THE best 3gun shooter in the country.

Krdshrk, Im with you. To me, these skills should be used anywhere and everywhere. Not just purpose driven to one style of shooting. Im a firm believer that strong hand stays on fire control as much as possible. So I can shoot even if my support hand is busy doing something else. does that make me slower? Dunno. It just comes down to practice. As my carbine instructor said, you will always resort to your training and practice. You will never rise to the occasion and do something different.

This guy is pretty good. Jerry Miculek. that shotgun is amazing.

 

This is interesting. He has a wrist bandoleer. Watch his shotgun reloads. They are not speedtubes.

 

This is interesting. He has a wrist bandoleer. Watch his shotgun reloads. They are not speedtubes.

 

Speedloaders and magazine fed shotguns bump you into open class.

Jerry is not shooting open in this video.(iron sights on handgun)

Are these NRA Sanctioned events? Most of us in NJ won't be able to do the pistol part unless they are

 

I got an answer. And it isn't good.

 

We will be USPSA affiliate come January' date=' but because we are on a county facility we have to abide by their rules. No NYS pistol license no touchie pistol. So carbine or in-state pistol shooter only.[/quote']