http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/12/12/dutch-firm-apologizes-for-design-resembling-11-attack/

 

http://www.foxnews.c...ling-11-attack/

 

Yeah. As soon as I saw this report a couple days ago,the first thing that sprang to mind was that it had to be some European firm's idea of being cute and cutting edge since the US is always a convenient target. Sure enough.... a Dutch firm.

BFD

 

People have a right to make cartoons of Mohammed, people have a right to make buildings that remind others of 9/11, people have a right to evoke whatever images that they want. Its time to quit being shocked, SHOCKED, SHOCKED I SAY every time someone does something we don't find appealing.

that actually looks pretty crazy

I can understand the shock factor in this from our side and I am by no means stating that we do not have a right to feel that way. However, I can also see the designers point of view of skyscrapers poking through a cloud in the sky. If they connected three skyscrapers instead of two, would you still be shocked?

scrap thieves should be shot on sight, there the same as looters

scrap thieves should be shot on sight, there the same as looters

 

Wrong thread bob

Wrong thread bob

 

HAHAHAHA!!! Beat me to it.

Wrong thread bob

scrap thieves should be shot on sight, there the same as looters

 

lol thats great

So, when can I carry in NJ?

BFD

 

People have a right to make cartoons of Mohammed, people have a right to make buildings that remind others of 9/11, people have a right to evoke whatever images that they want. Its time to quit being shocked, SHOCKED, SHOCKED I SAY every time someone does something we don't find appealing.

 

so people have all those rights.. but I dont have the right to **** about what I want?

guess your American is different than mine..

it was a real nice touch to make one just a hair taller than the other..

 

and you are right South Korea does not HAVE to be sensitive to us.. but wonder how well they would be doing without our help...

Relax....the CONCEPT was to be "Living Among the Clouds"..it wasnt until it was actually being built that anyone realized that a 9-11 connotation might be seen, and by then it was too late.

Relax....the CONCEPT was to be "Living Among the Clouds"..it wasnt until it was actually being built that anyone realized that a 9-11 connotation might be seen, and by then it was too late.

 

so that is why they made one a hair taller..

 

whatever.. like I said.. they can do what they want.. but I can also express how I personally feel about it..

 

two towers..

one a hair higher than the other..

with a "cloud" billowing around the middle..

 

I don't think it is some huge stretch to see the similarity..

Only Americans get their panties in a twist about ANYTHING 9/11 related. The rest of the world doesn't put as much emphasis on the symbolism of that day as we do here in the states, so when the Dutch firm and the Koreans were ironing out the details, the thought of it resembling 9/11 in any way probably did not cross their minds in the least.

 

Just try to keep that in mind... There is a whole world out there that does not think the way we do, and does not place weight on the same things we do.

BFD

 

People have a right to make cartoons of Mohammed, people have a right to make buildings that remind others of 9/11, people have a right to evoke whatever images that they want. Its time to quit being shocked, SHOCKED, SHOCKED I SAY every time someone does something we don't find appealing.

 

Agreed. Also while the Mohammed cartoons were specifically about 'ridiculing' the prophet and a religion which is at the heart of many cultures and countries, these buildings were not designed to mimic 9/11. The design took inspiration from clouds. Whether it was purposefully designed in poor taste is a separate issue. I choose to believe it is co-incidence and was not considered. While 9/11 is very significant in the USA (and quite rightly so), in many countries the awareness of 9/11 is very low, particularly 10 years on. I can say this based on having only moved to the USA 2 years ago.

 

I appreciate the shock it can give and the memories it can bring up with people.

 

TheWombat

i will respectfully agree to disagree.. and apparently the similarities I see in that to the burning twin towers is in my head.. and I must be overreacting entirely..

I don't think it is some huge stretch to see the similarity..

 

I don't think it's a stretch either. The picture resembles the Twin Towers. Unfortunately, as history progresses for a long enough time, certain things will continue to represent other things. It's going to happen. If there's no malicious intentions, I see nothing wrong with it. I also see nothing wrong with you voicing your opinion, so don't come at me with that

I can understand the shock factor in this from our side and I am by no means stating that we do not have a right to feel that way. However, I can also see the designers point of view of skyscrapers poking through a cloud in the sky. If they connected three skyscrapers instead of two, would you still be shocked?

 

exactly

BFD

 

People have a right to make cartoons of Mohammed, people have a right to make buildings that remind others of 9/11, people have a right to evoke whatever images that they want. Its time to quit being shocked, SHOCKED, SHOCKED I SAY every time someone does something we don't find appealing.

 

100% agreed

All we need to do is go to the bronx and hire a couple Graffiti arists to paint " 9-11-01 never forget " on the buildings..

 

Problem solved..

i will respectfully agree to disagree.. and apparently the similarities I see in that to the burning twin towers is in my head.. and I must be overreacting entirely..

 

Again, it's due to the fact that your mind is American-centric. To the other 6.4 Billion people out there, it's two building pushing through the sky.

Wrong thread bob

stupid laptop

stupid laptop

 

Close, but I think the problem is just behind the laptop... LOL

Damn straight he's got an American-centric mind. I do too, and I don't see it as an issue. South Korea is just another country that we wasted American lives and dollars saving and defending. Another country with tens of thousands of US troops needlessly in harm's way. I say, let them build whatever they hell they want, with whatever intentions. I don't care about the buildings. Or the country. Or what they think of us, which isn't too positive to begin with.

 

We should follow George Washington's advice and base our international relations on trade, not emotion, and remove every singe servicemember from their soil immediately, whether the buildings are a 9/11 slam or not.

 

I think it is time this country became more Ameri-centric again. Just something I've been wanting to say about our position in Asia for a while, this thread offered the opportunity.

However, one MVRDV official, Jan Knikker, was quoted telling the Dutch newspaper Algemeen Dagblad, "I have to admit that we also thought of the 9/11 attacks," the New York Post reported.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/12/12/dutch-firm-apologizes-for-design-resembling-11-attack/#ixzz1ghhqArM1

yep...pure coincidence and our purely Americentric attitudes...

If our president had any balls he would ask them not to build those buldings.

 

We could also send Tom over to take them down..

As an American and Korean, this whole thing is twisted personally. I, having been old enough to comprehend what occurred on 9/11 and it being a main reason of why I enlisted and was involved with GWOT for a number of years, feel levels of tension and anxiety over the Dutch firm and the Korean land owners that are letting this happen. Of course I take offense to anything that doesn't paint anything related to 9/11 in a somber light, but...

 

Yes, I'll be the first to say that, as somebody who respects the myriad of cultures that exist and have existed and have dedicated my life to this notion, my negative perspectives are based in enthnocentrism. While it would be easy to say that other cultures are wrong because they do not think the way my culture does is easy and simple, and reserved for those who are simple. Not that there is anything wrong with this perspective, as it has helped build nations and civilizations, including our own (and arguably better ones). However, in the consideration of the ongoing cultural evolution that swirls around us and the other 6.5 billion people in the world, our thoughts hardly are concerning.

 

And where it does become a negative is when we, as a nation, alienate most other nations while also trying to manipulate them to our advantage... essentially trying to have your cake and eat it. So, we isolate and perish, or we expand and evolve. And while both, at least according to history, reach the same end [end of a civilization, or the "passing of the torch" so to speak] I would rather, as I apply to my personal life, be an active participant in reaching the end... meaning, I would rather not become a crabby, useless individual who rants about the problems in life without ever considering a solution. Having a hand in my own fate, while arguably pointless, seems more attractive.

 

So, it goes back to the original topic. As Americans, should we take offense? I would hope so. Not as a patriots per se, but as citizens who come together over a terrible national tragedy. However, to not maintain being active participants, and so to say involved in global affairs that are advantageous to America, would essentially not just disrespect the lives lost on 9/11 and since-- but the previous 225+ years. And, honestly, this whole incident underscores what I have deduced is a large slice of the problem with Americans; and that is that Americans are short-sighted. Maybe it's the lack of history, or that we are a burgeoning young empire (probably both); but it is an issue that I think will be partially responsible for our inevitable "passing of the torch."

I think it is time this country became more Ameri-centric again.

This is one of the best posts I've seen in a LONG time.

it was a real nice touch to make one just a hair taller than the other..

 

Personally, I think one should be much shorter than the other with the same afformentioned "smoke cloud" design. That way it looks like one of the towers is mid collapse. Now THAT would create some real controversy eh?