Anybody know when (year?) this document went into effect?

Anybody know when (year?) this document went into effect?

AFAIK 1966 with all the other BS regs we live under in NJ, there have been various versions of it over the years.

It used to be half the size. I'll see if I can locate an old one.

AFAIK 1966

 

1966! Holy jaloopas that's a while ago.

 

Thanks everyone. I appreciate it.

here is one

 

we don't have to submit this however right?

 

http://nj.gov/njsp/info/pdf/firearms/sp-634.pdf

The hell is that thing for? Private sales?

The hell is that thing for? Private sales?

 

Face to face long gun transfers.

The hell is that thing for? Private sales?

 

Huh? Have you never purchased a firearm in NJ or have all of them been illegal?

Paul, I was thinking the same thing!

well in his defense, when reading the law it says you need to verify the seller is licensed. the coe is for your own records so it's easy to see where the confusion or misunderstand lies no?

2C:58-3 Purchase of firearms.

b.Firearms purchaser identification card. No person shall sell, give, transfer, assign or otherwise dispose of nor receive, purchase or otherwise acquire an antique cannon or a rifle or shotgun, other than an antique rifle or shotgun, unless the purchaser, assignee, donee, receiver or holder is licensed as a dealer under this chapter or possesses a valid firearms purchaser identification card, and first exhibits said card to the seller, donor, transferor or assignor, and unless the purchaser, assignee, donee, receiver or holder signs a written certification, on a form prescribed by the superintendent, which shall indicate that he presently complies with the requirements of subsection c. of this section and shall contain his name, address and firearms purchaser identification card number or dealer's registration number. The said certification shall be retained by the seller, as provided in paragraph (4) of subsection a. of N.J.S.2C:58-2, or, in the case of a person who is not a dealer, it may be filed with the chief of police of the municipality in which he resides or with the superintendent.

Huh? Have you never purchased a firearm in NJ or have all of them been illegal?

 

I don't discuss my business transactions, sorry.

 

I will say that I've never needed nor used such a document as this "COE". I have an FID. That's good enough for me, and good enough for the gunshops I visit. So it's good enough for private sales too.

I don't discuss my business transactions, sorry.

 

I will say that I've never needed nor used such a document as this "COE". I have an FID. That's good enough for me, and good enough for the gunshops I visit. So it's good enough for private sales too.

 

Not in the Rebublik of Jersey it isn't. Say no more, this is a publik forum.

I don't discuss my business transactions, sorry.

 

I will say that I've never needed nor used such a document as this "COE". I have an FID. That's good enough for me, and good enough for the gunshops I visit. So it's good enough for private sales too.

 

I wouldn't go around saying that..

I will say that I've never needed nor used such a document as this "COE". I have an FID. That's good enough for me, and good enough for the gunshops I visit. So it's good enough for private sales too.

good luck.

We have laws here about rifles and COE (2C:58-3). We always complain about some cops not knowing gun laws and giving people grief over it. Every now and then they'll stumble into a case like yours and will actually be right.

Why not just go and buy rifles at a legit place if you have an FID?

I have an FID. That's good enough for me, and good enough for the gunshops I visit. So it's good enough for private sales too.

 

When you fill out the paperwork buying a long rifle in a gun shop, you filled out a COE. The one that asks "Are you an alcoholic, a fugutive from justice" etc.

 

If you have never filled this out, all of your purchases have been illegal transfers. While it may be "good enough for you", it's not "good enough" for a prosecutor or "good enough" for the law in NJ.

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When you fill out the paperwork buying a long rifle in a gun shop, you filled out a COE. The one that asks "Are you an alcoholic, a fugutive from justice" etc.

 

If you have never filled this out, all of your purchases have been illegal transfers. While it may be "good enough for you", it's not "good enough" for a prosecutor or "good enough" for the law in NJ.

"

 

I is good enough for the prosecutor if the prosecutor wants a win...

If you drive into PA, conduct the transaction and drive back, wouldn't that be perfectly legal without a COE?

If you drive into PA, conduct the transaction and drive back, wouldn't that be perfectly legal without a COE?

Every single line here mentions the COE, unless you're a non- resident buying out of state.

2. Long gun purchases by

....A. NJ resident from

........(1) NJ dealer = NICS check with a FPID, COE and Photo ID

........(2) NJ resident = face to face with a FPID, COE with Photo ID suggested

........(3) Out-of-state dealer = NICS check with a FPID, COE and Photo ID

........(4) Out-of-state resident = must be transferred through

............a. NJ dealer = NICS check with a FPID, COE and Photo ID or

............b. Out-of-state dealer = NICS check with a FPID, COE and Photo ID

....B. Non-resident from

........(1) NJ dealer = NICS check with a FPID, COE and Photo ID

........(2) NJ resident = must be transferred through

............a. NJ dealer = NICS check with a FPID, COE and Photo ID or

............b. Out-of-state dealer = consult buyer's home state laws

Okay, I see what you are saying. Must go through FFL and must follow the law in the state you are conducting the transaction and the law of the state you are from. That must be in

18 U.S.C. § 922 somewhere. Looks like I'll be reading more legislation this weekend -- oh what fun!

 

http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/uscode/18/I/44/922

Okay, I see what you are saying. Must go through FFL and must follow the law in the state you are conducting the transaction and the law of the state you are from. That must be in

18 U.S.C. § 922 somewhere. Looks like I'll be reading more legislation this weekend -- oh what fun!

 

http://codes.lp.find...ode/18/I/44/922

 

Just bring a copy of the coe if you buy out of state.

When you fill out the paperwork buying a long rifle in a gun shop, you filled out a COE. The one that asks "Are you an alcoholic, a fugutive from justice" etc.

 

If you have never filled this out, all of your purchases have been illegal transfers. While it may be "good enough for you", it's not "good enough" for a prosecutor or "good enough" for the law in NJ.

"

 

No ****? Didn't know that. There always is so much BS paperwork that I don't really pay too much attention to the names of the documents when I'm rifling through it all at the gunshop. All I remember is the state police form having questions on it, in regards to being a felon or not, or if I'm the actual purchaser (straw purchase question), etc etc.

 

I haven't ever done any private purchases anyways, so it's all a moot point. All the folks I know keep their guns, they don't sell 'em!